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    • 1d1undefined
      1d1
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      OK. Corrected those issues. I tried them with those commands to see if it would help. I now get a "Z probe not triggered during " a G32 command. I'll check my wiring I guess though it was working before I installed the Duet. Hmmmm

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      • 1d1undefined
        1d1
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        Wiring triggers properly at the board. Maybe increase the trigger height even more? I'll try that...

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        • fcwiltundefined
          fcwilt @1d1
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          @1d1 said in Homing vs. Printing height difference:

          Wiring triggers properly at the board. Maybe increase the trigger height even more? I'll try that...

          Is that 15.3 value correct?

          That value is supposed to be the Z position when the probe triggers.

          Frederick

          Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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          • jay_s_ukundefined
            jay_s_uk @fcwilt
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            @fcwilt I'm guessing it's a delta (probably an anycubic one) in which case that z probe offset is about right

            Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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            • 1d1undefined
              1d1 @fcwilt
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              @fcwilt That is what the indicated Z height is when the probe triggers. When I then check the distance to the bed, it requires an additional -4.9mm for the nozzle to reach printing height. Yeah, the distance the printer attempts to print is likely 4.9mm above the bed. This where I'm confused, exactly.

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              • 1d1undefined
                1d1
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                That is, -4.9 from Z0

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                • fcwiltundefined
                  fcwilt @1d1
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                  @1d1 said in Homing vs. Printing height difference:

                  @fcwilt That is what the indicated Z height is when the probe triggers. When I then check the distance to the bed, it requires an additional -4.9mm for the nozzle to reach printing height. Yeah, the distance the printer attempts to print is likely 4.9mm above the bed. This where I'm confused, exactly.

                  The indicated height is simply the value you entered into the G31 command. It is "telling" the firmware that the nozzle is 15.3 mm above the bed when the probe triggers.

                  If it is actually 15.3 + 4.9 use that value instead.

                  Frederick

                  Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                  • 1d1undefined
                    1d1
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                    When I do that (for the 10th time) I get a probe not triggered response when running a G32. I know the probe triggers when pushed because the LED on the board goes off. If I increase that trigger value, it still doesn't work because the probe remains too high. If I decrease the trigger height value to 15.22 I get a calibrated mean deviation response after G32. All Good. I then enter an M500 to save it. And when I go to print, The extruder prints in midair about 4.9mm above the bed.

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                    • jay_s_ukundefined
                      jay_s_uk
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                      How did you measure the trigger height?

                      Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                      • 1d1undefined
                        1d1
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                        I take the indicated difference from the point at which the probe triggers, remove the probe, and then lower the extruder until the nozzle touches the bed. The total distance is appx. 20mm (15.3 + 4.9). When using that value, the probe doesn't trigger when G32 is used. If I lower the trigger height value to 15.4, the probe triggers. Then I get a mean deviation report, hit M500, and go to print... 4.9 mm above the bed... again. Pretty frustrated here.

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                        • fcwiltundefined
                          fcwilt @1d1
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                          @1d1

                          If you home the printer and then move to Z=0 where does the nozzle end up, height wise?

                          Frederick

                          Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                          • 1d1undefined
                            1d1
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                            4.53mm above the bed

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                            • jay_s_ukundefined
                              jay_s_uk @1d1
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                              @1d1 have you read this?https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Calibrating_a_delta_printer#Section_Measuring_the_trigger_height

                              Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                              • fcwiltundefined
                                fcwilt @1d1
                                last edited by fcwilt

                                @1d1 said in Homing vs. Printing height difference:

                                4.53mm above the bed

                                Do you have a line like this in your config-override.g file?

                                M665 R106.35 L215 B180.8 H224.5 ;Set delta radius, diagonal rod length, printable radius and homed height

                                If you do change the H parameter to H229.4

                                If not change that line in your config.g file.

                                Then re-boot, home and move to Z=0 and see what happens.

                                Frederick

                                Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                                • 1d1undefined
                                  1d1 @jay_s_uk
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                                  @jay_s_uk Many times.

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                                  • 1d1undefined
                                    1d1 @fcwilt
                                    last edited by

                                    @fcwilt I'll try that. Though I have already in the past, maybe we're closer to the solution...

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                                    • jay_s_ukundefined
                                      jay_s_uk
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                                      Well you're doing to z probe offset the wrong way.

                                      Heat the bed
                                      Heat the nozzle
                                      Take the nozzle down until it's touching the bed (using paper to determine when they're touching)
                                      G92 Z0
                                      G1 Z30 (to move the nozzle away from the bed)
                                      Fit the probe
                                      G30 S-1

                                      And the offset will be spat out

                                      Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                                      • fcwiltundefined
                                        fcwilt @jay_s_uk
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                                        @jay_s_uk

                                        That is certainly one way but it is not the only way.

                                        Frederick

                                        Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                                        • 1d1undefined
                                          1d1
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                                          OK. Adding 5mm to my overall homing height didn't alter results, but I left it that way and did the G92 Z0 process again and we have ignition. A number was spat, changes were splatted and results regurgitated. PETG flows properly once again. Thank you both (all?) for your help.

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                                          • fcwiltundefined
                                            fcwilt @1d1
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                                            @1d1 said in Homing vs. Printing height difference:

                                            OK. Adding 5mm to my overall homing height didn't alter results, but I left it that way and did the G92 Z0 process again and we have ignition. A number was spat, changes were splatted and results regurgitated. PETG flows properly once again. Thank you both (all?) for your help.

                                            Adding the 5, reboot, home and still Z=0 came out at 4.9? Very odd.

                                            Well, anyway, don't leave us in suspense - what number was "spat"?

                                            Frederick

                                            Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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