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    • Phaedruxundefined
      Phaedrux Moderator
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      For the sake of completeness can you provide your config.g, the results of M122 and M98 P"config.g". Maybe some more details on the printer.

      Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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      • brotherchrisundefined
        brotherchris @Phaedrux
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        @Phaedrux Sure, I posted config.g above, but I can do it again. config.g m122.txt 10/2/2020, 9:23:33 PM M98 P"config.g"
        Warning: Heater 0 appears to be over-powered. If left on at full power, its temperature is predicted to reach 265C

        The printer is an EXO cube, almost just like this one.
        https://www.exoslide.com/exocube-printer

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        • Phaedruxundefined
          Phaedrux Moderator @brotherchris
          last edited by Phaedrux

          @brotherchris said in Tips to mitigate vertical artifacting Duet 2 Wifi:

          @Phaedrux I thought about crossing the belt's I might try that. Config and slicer profile attached. I will print a ringing test. slicer settiongs.gcode config.g

          Sorry I missed those before.

          Nothing stands out as obvious in the config.

          Which leaves us with mechanics and the minutiae of stepper drivers.

          Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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          • brotherchrisundefined
            brotherchris @Phaedrux
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            @Phaedrux said in Tips to mitigate vertical artifacting Duet 2 Wifi:

            minutiae

            Totally agree, I am pretty used to troubleshooting these types of things. I have seen this before, but never on a 2660 driver. This post was mainly to see if any other Duet users were seeing this. Great discussion by the way, enjoying it.

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            • Phaedruxundefined
              Phaedrux Moderator
              last edited by

              You might find this interesting: https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Tuning_Stepper_Motor_Drivers

              Not sure how applicable or helpful it would be in this case though.

              Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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              • brotherchrisundefined
                brotherchris @fcwilt
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                @fcwilt Thanks for the reply, 20201002_221416.jpg Left is normal, right is super tight belts.

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                • brotherchrisundefined
                  brotherchris @Phaedrux
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                  @Phaedrux Ringing test. 20201002_225434.jpg

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                  • Phaedruxundefined
                    Phaedrux Moderator
                    last edited by Phaedrux

                    Might be able to reduce the ringing a bit with a drop of jerk from 1200 to 700.

                    Hard to say if that would be enough to fix the benchy artifacts.

                    Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                    • fcwiltundefined
                      fcwilt @brotherchris
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                      @brotherchris said in Tips to mitigate vertical artifacting Duet 2 Wifi:

                      @fcwilt Thanks for the reply, 20201002_221416.jpg Left is normal, right is super tight belts.

                      I wish I could remember exactly what I did to fix the problem. It was awhile ago when I had a CoreXY of my own design.

                      Frederick

                      Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                      • Vetiundefined
                        Veti
                        last edited by Veti

                        i switched to 0.9 degrees stepper and 16 tooth pulleys.

                        see
                        https://forum.prusaprinters.org/forum/original-prusa-i3-mk3s-mk3-user-mods-octoprint-enclosures-nozzles-.../stepper-motor-upgrades-to-eliminate-vfa-s-vertical-fine-artifacts/

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                        • brotherchrisundefined
                          brotherchris
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                          Latest print, the 0.9 degree steppers are my last resort. I think I have exhausted most of my other ideas. I will switch them out today and report back.20201003_094351.jpg

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                          • NexxCatundefined
                            NexxCat
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                            Sorry, kinda off topic, but just put 2+2 together and realised @brotherchris was Chris Riley. Love your videos, keep up the fab work 🙂

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                            • brotherchrisundefined
                              brotherchris @NexxCat
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                              @NexxCat lol, thank you!

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                              • Phaedruxundefined
                                Phaedrux Moderator
                                last edited by

                                Yeah definitely looking like VFA. Upping your natural steps per mm on XY would be a good next step.

                                Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                                • brotherchrisundefined
                                  brotherchris
                                  last edited by

                                  The 0.9 motors might have helped a bit, but I think this is as good as it's going to get. 1.8 on the right 0.9 on the left.20201003_145945.jpg

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                                  • botundefined
                                    bot
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                                    Did you end up playing with a range of jerk (instantaneous speed change) values? I've found that certain values of jerk are much worse than others for artifacts like this. Obviously, the amount of acceleration plays a role, too.

                                    Try a test of ranges of jerk values with a range of acceleration values, too. I almost forgot to mention feedrate. Try a combination of different jerk, accel, and feedrates.

                                    dc42 has on his list to implement some alternative to "jerk" (not real jerk, but you know what we mean) similar to junction deviation. After finally learning what junction deviation actually is and how exactly it works -- I'm convinced that I would like to try it! It might alleviate problems like this: weird motion on curves.

                                    *not actually a robot

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                                    • brotherchrisundefined
                                      brotherchris @bot
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                                      @bot I have made a few changes, my settings are pretty low at the moment, but I could setup a test and try different ranges.

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                                      • botundefined
                                        bot @brotherchris
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                                        @brotherchris it's not exactly putting them low that makes the best results -- it's just finding the right combination. For me, for example, 4, 5, 6, and 7 mm/s jerk produces worse results than 8 mm/s. In some tests. It's hard to figure out, but sometimes you find a combination that works magically. Heh. It's my method for now: guess and check.

                                        *not actually a robot

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                                        • brotherchrisundefined
                                          brotherchris @bot
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                                          @bot lol, guess and check is my thing! Testing now, I will see if I can find a combo. Thanks for the tips.

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                                          • brotherchrisundefined
                                            brotherchris
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                                            Well, I am going to take that back. The single wall prints are much improved by the 0.9 steppers. Top one is before. 20201003_161602.jpg

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