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    Turbo @Veti
    last edited by 7 Oct 2020, 17:30

    @Veti also would you know where i can find a chart or something for setting thermistors? i need to adjust both of my printers. this is the bed heater NTC 100K thermistor ( Beta 25/50 3950K-1%

    Cant stop tuning wont stop tuning.
    Dbot, Custom i3, Voron 0&2

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      Veti
      last edited by 7 Oct 2020, 17:32

      @Turbo said in Identical artifacts/issues on two parts on the same print job:

      3950K

      thats the beta value

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        Turbo @Veti
        last edited by 7 Oct 2020, 17:42

        @Veti gotcha. Thank you for answering my questions. Im going to try a test print or 2 with the updated settings and report back.

        Cant stop tuning wont stop tuning.
        Dbot, Custom i3, Voron 0&2

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          Veti
          last edited by 7 Oct 2020, 17:43

          do post your final config for another check

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            Turbo @Veti
            last edited by 7 Oct 2020, 17:44

            @Veti Its been through some revisions so theres some leftover code that i keep incase i revert back.

            ; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 1.20 or newer)
            ; executed by the firmware on start-up
            ;
            ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool on Thu Jun 21 2018 19:14:32 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
            ;------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
            ; General preferences
            G90 ; Send absolute coordinates...
            M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
            M667 S1 ; Select CoreXY mode
            ; Network
            M550 PBlue the D-Bot ; Set machine name
            M552 S1 ; Enable network
            M586 P0 S1 ; Enable HTTP
            M586 P1 S0 ; Disable FTP
            M586 P2 S0 ; Disable Telnet
            ; Drives
            M569 P0 S1 ; Drive 0 goes forwards
            M569 P1 S1 ; Drive 1 goes forwards
            M569 P2 S1 ; Drive 2 goes forwards
            M569 P3 S0 ; Drive 3 goes forwards
            M569 P4 S1 ; Drive 4 goes forwards
            M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; Configure microstepping with interpolation
            M92 X100 Y100 Z423 E394 ; :870(E2) ; Set steps per mm (Start:Z415) (chimera value 870)
            M566 X1000 Y1000 Z240 E600:600 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min) (OG E600:600)
            M203 X18000 Y18000 Z2400 E3600:3600 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min)
            M201 X1250 Y1250 Z250 E2000:2000 ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2)
            M906 X1500 Y1500 Z1000 E850:850 I50 ; Set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in percent
            M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout
            ; Axis Limits
            M208 X-10 Y-10 Z0 S1 ; Set axis minima (chimera/original y value = 0)
            M208 X300 Y185 Z300 S0 ; Set axis maxima
            ; Endstops
            M574 X1 Y2 S3 ; Set endstops controlled by motor load detection
            ; Z-Probe
            M574 Z1 S2 ; Set endstops controlled by probe
            M307 H3 A-1 C-1 D-1
            M558 P9 H5 F750 T7200
            G31 X25.9 Y0 Z02.3 P25 ; Probe Offset - Increase for Nozzle down, Decrease for Nozzle up (chimera value .6)
            M557 X26:280 Y5:185 S50:45 ; Define mesh grid
            ; Heaters
            M305 P0 T100000 B3950 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
            ; Heater 1
            M143 H0 S110 ; Set temperature limit for heater 0 to 110C
            M305 P1 T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1
            M143 H1 S275 ; Set temperature limit for heater 1 to 275C
            ; Heater 2 (disable for Titan Aero)
            ;M305 P2 T100000 B4138 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 2
            ;M143 H2 S275 ; Set temperature limit for heater 2 to 275C
            ; Fans
            M106 P0 S0 I0 F500 H-1 ; Set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
            M106 P1 S165 T55 H1:2 ; Set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
            M106 P2 S0 I0 F500 H-1 ; Set fan 2 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
            ; Tools
            M563 P0 D0 H1 ; Define tool 0
            G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Set tool 0 axis offsets
            G10 P0 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
            ;------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
            ; Next 3 lines are for Chimera config. Disabled for Titan Aero
            ; IMPORTANT: Titan Aero Thermistors are swapped at the board. Swap them back for Chimera Use. NOT THE CASE FOR V2
            ;------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
            ;M563 P1 D1 H2 ; Define tool 1
            ;G10 P1 X9 Y0 Z0 ; Set tool 1 axis offsets
            ;G10 P1 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 1 active and standby temperatures to 0C
            ; Automatic saving after power loss is not enabled
            ; Custom settings are not configured
            ; Miscellaneous
            T0 ; Select first tool. Change to T-1 for use with Chimera

            Cant stop tuning wont stop tuning.
            Dbot, Custom i3, Voron 0&2

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              Turbo @Turbo
              last edited by 7 Oct 2020, 17:45

              @Turbo For fun heres my other printers config file running rrf3 if you want to rifle through it

              ; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 3)
              ; executed by the firmware on start-up
              ;
              ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v2.1.8 on Thu Apr 16 2020 15:52:25 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
              ; General preferences
              G90 ; send absolute coordinates...
              M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
              M550 P"CCPrinting" ; set printer name
              ; Network
              M552 S1 ; enable network
              M586 P0 S1 ; enable HTTP
              M586 P1 S0 ; disable FTP
              M586 P2 S0 ; disable Telnet
              ; Drives
              M569 P0 S1 ; physical drive 0 goes forwards
              M569 P1 S1 ; physical drive 1 goes forwards
              M569 P2 S0 ; physical drive 2 goes backwards
              M569 P3 S1 ; physical drive 3 goes forwards
              M584 X0 Y1 Z2 E3 ; set drive mapping
              M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
              M92 X160.00 Y160.00 Z400.00 E390.00 ; set steps per mm (Currently 2x for 0.9 Steppers on X & Y)
              M566 X700.00 Y700.00 Z12.00 E120.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
              M203 X12000.00 Y12000.00 Z1200.00 E3000.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
              M201 X800.00 Y800.00 Z100.00 E5000.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
              M906 X700 Y700 Z700 E855 I30 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
              M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout
              ; Axis Limits
              M208 X-3.5 Y0 Z0 S1 ; set axis minima
              M208 X200 Y200 Z140 S0 ; set axis maxima
              ; Endstops
              M574 X1 S3 ; configure sensorless endstop for low end on X
              M574 Y1 S3 ; configure sensorless endstop for low end on Y
              M574 Z1 S2 ; configure Z-probe endstop for low end on Z
              ; Z-Probe
              M558 P9 C"^zprobe.in" H5 F750 T7200 ; BLTouch connected to Z probe IN pin
              M950 S0 C"exp.heater3" ; create servo/gpio 0 on heater 3 pin on expansion connector
              G31 P500 X55 Y10.58 Z1.2 ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height Increase for Nozzle down, Decrease for Nozzle up
              M557 X55:197 Y20:190 S71:85 ; define mesh grid
              ; Heaters
              M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B3950 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
              M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0 ; create bed heater output on bedheat and map it to sensor 0
              M143 H0 S120 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
              M307 H0 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
              M140 H0 ; map heated bed to heater 0
              M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
              M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
              M143 H1 S280 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C
              M307 H1 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater and set PWM limit
              ; Fans
              ;M950 F0 C"fan0" Q500 ; create fan 0 on pin fan0 and set its frequency
              ;M106 P0 C"SHORTED DO NOT USE" S0 H-1 ; set fan 0 name and value. Thermostatic control is turned off
              ;M950 F1 C"fan1" Q500 ; create fan 1 on pin fan1 and set its frequency
              ;M106 P1 C"SHORTED DO NOT USE" S0 H-1 ; set fan 1 name and value. Thermostatic control is turned off
              M950 F2 C"fan2" Q500 ; create fan 2 on pin fan2 and set its frequency
              M106 P2 C"Part Cooling Fan" S0 H-1 ; set fan 2 name and value. Thermostatic control is turned off
              ; Tools
              M563 P0 S"Hemera" D0 H1 F2 ; define tool 0
              G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
              G10 P0 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
              ; Custom settings are not defined
              M501
              ; Miscellaneous
              T0 ; select first tool

              Cant stop tuning wont stop tuning.
              Dbot, Custom i3, Voron 0&2

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                Veti @Turbo
                last edited by 7 Oct 2020, 17:46

                @Turbo said in Identical artifacts/issues on two parts on the same print job:

                Z1000

                is your z motor a different motor?

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                  Turbo @Veti
                  last edited by Turbo 10 Jul 2020, 17:48 7 Oct 2020, 17:48

                  @Veti its a 5:1 geared stepper motor. 17hs15-1684s-pg5
                  https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/nema-17-stepper-motor-bipolar-l38mm-w-gear-raio-51-planetary-gearbox-17hs15-1684s-pg5.html

                  Cant stop tuning wont stop tuning.
                  Dbot, Custom i3, Voron 0&2

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                    Veti
                    last edited by 7 Oct 2020, 17:50

                    @Turbo said in Identical artifacts/issues on two parts on the same print job:

                    17hs15-1684s-pg5

                    set that to 1200

                    you should got for around 75% of the stated current.

                    how heavy is your bed, that you need 5:1 stepper drivers?

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                      Veti @Turbo
                      last edited by 7 Oct 2020, 17:52

                      @Turbo said in Identical artifacts/issues on two parts on the same print job:

                      Z423

                      I dont understand this value. that just feels wrong.

                      what kind of leadscrew do you have?

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                        Turbo @Veti
                        last edited by 7 Oct 2020, 17:52

                        @Veti it's not too heavy. Approx 300x 200y, with some 2040 extrusions. Main reason is the z axis is belted rather than leadscrews

                        Cant stop tuning wont stop tuning.
                        Dbot, Custom i3, Voron 0&2

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                          Veti
                          last edited by 7 Oct 2020, 17:54

                          assuming you have a gt2 setup with 20 teeth
                          motor is 5.18:1
                          that would be 414.4

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                            Turbo @Veti
                            last edited by 7 Oct 2020, 18:00

                            @Veti im not sure the exact gearing, but it does drive-->middle pulley, out to two more pulleys on either side. let mee if i can count the teeth

                            Cant stop tuning wont stop tuning.
                            Dbot, Custom i3, Voron 0&2

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                              Veti
                              last edited by 7 Oct 2020, 18:01

                              it says so on the spec page you linked

                              Gear Ratio: 5.18: 1

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                                Turbo @Veti
                                last edited by 7 Oct 2020, 18:01

                                @Veti not of the motor, im not sure it uses all 20t pulleys, there might be a combo of different counts

                                Cant stop tuning wont stop tuning.
                                Dbot, Custom i3, Voron 0&2

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                                  Veti @Turbo
                                  last edited by 7 Oct 2020, 18:03

                                  @Turbo
                                  only the one on the motor counts.

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                                    Turbo @Veti
                                    last edited by 7 Oct 2020, 18:04

                                    @Veti oh okay. let me try that value and see what comes of it

                                    Cant stop tuning wont stop tuning.
                                    Dbot, Custom i3, Voron 0&2

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                                      Turbo @Turbo
                                      last edited by Turbo 10 Jul 2020, 18:29 7 Oct 2020, 18:28

                                      @Veti printed a 20mm cube at .35layer height. Slicer says it will be a final product of 20.15. actual is 20mm on the dot.

                                      Cant stop tuning wont stop tuning.
                                      Dbot, Custom i3, Voron 0&2

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                                        Phaedrux Moderator
                                        last edited by 7 Oct 2020, 19:08

                                        I think the problem is cold extrusion. Your thermistor settings were really off and you're printing fast and with a thicker layer height really pushing the flow rate. I think that's why the top layer looks more like strings than proper fused extrusion.

                                        Now that you have the proper thermistor settings in place I suggest you go through this guide and recalibrate your extruder and find your maximum flow rate, and from that you take your chosen layer height and width and determine your appropriate print speed.

                                        https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Guide/Ender+3+Pro+and+Duet+Maestro+Guide+Part+4:+Calibration/40

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                                          Turbo @Phaedrux
                                          last edited by 7 Oct 2020, 19:11

                                          @Phaedrux Just finished pid tuning and printing a square to verify settings. Will work on e steps next, although how much could it change due to a bad pid value?

                                          Cant stop tuning wont stop tuning.
                                          Dbot, Custom i3, Voron 0&2

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