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    • markzundefined
      markz
      last edited by

      Since no one has jumped in here, my usual opinion when I see something like this is that (assuming the board is ok) it's either a power supply issue or a voltage noise issue.

      How much power does your heated bed use? Is it enough to impact the power supply?

      How is the 24V to the pump connected? Could noise on the 24V line be caused by the pump pwm?

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      • bwnanceundefined
        bwnance @markz
        last edited by

        @markz
        Resistance on my heated bed (measured at connector on board) is 3.3ohms, it's a 24v bed, so that would be a ~175watt bed, correct? I'm using a Mean Well 24v 350w PSU and my hotend is 50w, so i should have plenty of extra room, wattage wise, right?

        24v to the pump is over a fan header on the board (AFAIK newer duets have the flyback diode on all fan inputs internally), I'm not sure how to diagnose if i have noise on the 24v line.

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        • markzundefined
          markz @bwnance
          last edited by

          @bwnance thanks.

          The pump has two inputs (kind of) power and control. I know the control line goes to the fan pins but where do you pull off the 24V supply for the pump - is that from the power supply or the duet board somewhere? Are you getting the 24v from the fan header?

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          • bwnanceundefined
            bwnance @markz
            last edited by

            @markz I'm not using "EZ-Switch" board that was packaged with the berd-air, so both lines are hooked up to the fan header -- as best as i could tell before installing, this was fine, since the fan headers have flybacks wired into them

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            • Phaedruxundefined
              Phaedrux Moderator
              last edited by

              Can you try 3.2 Beta 4? It's believed that a fix for this crash may already be present there.

              https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/releases

              Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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              • bwnanceundefined
                bwnance @Phaedrux
                last edited by

                @Phaedrux just upgraded, will do a few test prints! We shall see...

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                • Phaedruxundefined
                  Phaedrux Moderator @bwnance
                  last edited by

                  @bwnance Just realized there is an odd ordering problem on that page that doesn't list the most recent at the top.

                  https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/releases/tag/3.2beta4.1

                  Beta 4.1 can be found here.

                  Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                  • bwnanceundefined
                    bwnance @Phaedrux
                    last edited by

                    @Phaedrux ah, ty! gonna let this print finish on beta 4, then will update to 4.1

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                    • bwnanceundefined
                      bwnance
                      last edited by bwnance

                      @Phaedrux was out of town for the holidays, just started a 4 hour print and the printer rebooted ~40mins in

                      m122
                      === Diagnostics ===
                      RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet version 3.2-beta4 running on Duet WiFi 1.02 or later
                      Board ID: 08DJM-9178L-L2MSD-6J1FA-3S46N-KSFYP
                      Used output buffers: 3 of 24 (12 max)
                      === RTOS ===
                      Static ram: 24108
                      Dynamic ram: 99836 of which 60 recycled
                      Never used RAM 6044, free system stack 106 words
                      Tasks: NETWORK(ready,183) HEAT(blocked,308) MAIN(running,451) IDLE(ready,20)
                      Owned mutexes: WiFi(NETWORK)
                      === Platform ===
                      Last reset 00:01:49 ago, cause: software
                      Last software reset at 2021-01-07 01:30, reason: AssertionFailed, GCodes spinning, available RAM 5836, slot 1
                      Software reset code 0x4123 HFSR 0x00000000 CFSR 0x00000000 ICSR 0x0041f000 BFAR 0xe000ed38 SP 0x200044ac Task MAIN
                      Stack: 00000c55 00472af0 00452a9d 2000ae20 00000000 200094c8 00000000 00000000 00451edb 00000000 ffffffff 2000ae20 200034cc 200094c8 ffffffff 00000000 20004524 a5a5a5a5 00451f1b 20004514 200094b8 20008380 0044f543 20008380 0042ee47 2001e448 200094bc
                      Error status: 0x00
                      MCU temperature: min 25.0, current 25.2, max 26.1
                      Supply voltage: min 23.9, current 24.1, max 24.3, under voltage events: 0, over voltage events: 0, power good: yes
                      Driver 0: position 63150, standstill, SG min/max 0/138
                      Driver 1: position 63150, standstill, SG min/max 0/133
                      Driver 2: position 63150, standstill, SG min/max 0/156
                      Driver 3: position 0, standstill, SG min/max not available
                      Driver 4: position 0, standstill, SG min/max not available
                      Driver 5: position 0
                      Driver 6: position 0
                      Driver 7: position 0
                      Driver 8: position 0
                      Driver 9: position 0
                      Driver 10: position 0
                      Driver 11: position 0
                      Date/time: 2021-01-07 01:32:29
                      Cache data hit count 170332161
                      Slowest loop: 3.51ms; fastest: 0.17ms
                      I2C nak errors 0, send timeouts 0, receive timeouts 0, finishTimeouts 0, resets 0
                      === Storage ===
                      Free file entries: 10
                      SD card 0 detected, interface speed: 20.0MBytes/sec
                      SD card longest read time 1.1ms, write time 0.0ms, max retries 0
                      === Move ===
                      Hiccups: 0(0), FreeDm: 169, MinFreeDm: 163, MaxWait: 22002ms
                      Bed compensation in use: none, comp offset 0.000
                      === MainDDARing ===
                      Scheduled moves 5, completed moves 5, StepErrors 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 0, 0], CDDA state -1
                      === AuxDDARing ===
                      Scheduled moves 0, completed moves 0, StepErrors 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 0, 0], CDDA state -1
                      === Heat ===
                      Bed heaters = 0 -1 -1 -1, chamberHeaters = -1 -1 -1 -1
                      === GCodes ===
                      Segments left: 0
                      Movement lock held by null
                      HTTP is idle in state(s) 0
                      Telnet is idle in state(s) 0
                      File is idle in state(s) 0
                      USB is idle in state(s) 0
                      Aux is idle in state(s) 0
                      Trigger is idle in state(s) 0
                      Queue is idle in state(s) 0
                      LCD is idle in state(s) 0
                      Daemon is idle in state(s) 0
                      Autopause is idle in state(s) 0
                      Code queue is empty.
                      === Network ===
                      Slowest loop: 15.70ms; fastest: 0.00ms
                      Responder states: HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) FTP(0) Telnet(0), 0 sessions
                      HTTP sessions: 1 of 8
                      - WiFi -
                      Network state is active
                      WiFi module is connected to access point 
                      Failed messages: pending 0, notready 0, noresp 0
                      WiFi firmware version 1.25beta0
                      WiFi MAC address dc:4f:22:6e:6c:ca
                      WiFi Vcc 3.43, reset reason Turned on by main processor
                      WiFi flash size 4194304, free heap 19552
                      WiFi IP address 192.168.86.34
                      WiFi signal strength -57dBm, mode 802.11n, reconnections 0, sleep mode modem
                      Clock register 00002002
                      Socket states: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
                      

                      I see that 4.2 was just released so i'll update to that and try again.

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                      • bwnanceundefined
                        bwnance
                        last edited by

                        @Phaedrux no dice, another crash. @dc42 any ideas?

                        M122
                        === Diagnostics ===
                        RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet version 3.2 running on Duet WiFi 1.02 or later
                        Board ID: 08DJM-9178L-L2MSD-6J1FA-3S46N-KSFYP
                        Used output buffers: 3 of 24 (12 max)
                        === RTOS ===
                        Static ram: 23460
                        Dynamic ram: 72744 of which 60 recycled
                        Never used RAM 15816, free system stack 99 words
                        Tasks: NETWORK(ready,157) HEAT(blocked,307) MAIN(running,450) IDLE(ready,19)
                        Owned mutexes:
                        === Platform ===
                        Last reset 00:01:12 ago, cause: software
                        Last software reset at 2021-01-07 19:24, reason: HardFault invState, GCodes spinning, available RAM 15608, slot 1
                        Software reset code 0x4063 HFSR 0x40000000 CFSR 0x00020000 ICSR 0x0041f003 BFAR 0xe000ed38 SP 0x2001fe90 Task MAIN Freestk 29308 ok
                        Stack: 00000000 00000001 400e1400 00001000 3ed0bedf 0044adf3 2001ff28 400f0227 00000160 00000100 2001db10 fffffff1 000001ab 00000000 00a69e38 0000012b 2001c8b8 38000000 005a0073 00000001 28bb5437 fffffffb 29767437 2000770e 2001ff28 01000001 2001ff28
                        Error status: 0x00
                        Aux0 errors 0,0,0
                        MCU temperature: min 24.9, current 25.4, max 26.0
                        Supply voltage: min 24.0, current 24.1, max 24.3, under voltage events: 0, over voltage events: 0, power good: yes
                        Driver 0: position 63150, standstill, SG min/max 0/147
                        Driver 1: position 63150, standstill, SG min/max 0/131
                        Driver 2: position 63150, standstill, SG min/max 0/157
                        Driver 3: position 0, standstill, SG min/max not available
                        Driver 4: position 0, standstill, SG min/max not available
                        Driver 5: position 0
                        Driver 6: position 0
                        Driver 7: position 0
                        Driver 8: position 0
                        Driver 9: position 0
                        Driver 10: position 0
                        Driver 11: position 0
                        Date/time: 2021-01-07 19:25:21
                        Cache data hit count 87576278
                        Slowest loop: 4.81ms; fastest: 0.20ms
                        I2C nak errors 0, send timeouts 0, receive timeouts 0, finishTimeouts 0, resets 0
                        === Storage ===
                        Free file entries: 10
                        SD card 0 detected, interface speed: 20.0MBytes/sec
                        SD card longest read time 0.9ms, write time 0.0ms, max retries 0
                        === Move ===
                        DMs created 83, maxWait 11729ms, bed compensation in use: none, comp offset 0.000
                        === MainDDARing ===
                        Scheduled moves 5, completed moves 5, hiccups 0, stepErrors 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 0, 0], CDDA state -1
                        === AuxDDARing ===
                        Scheduled moves 0, completed moves 0, hiccups 0, stepErrors 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 0, 0], CDDA state -1
                        === Heat ===
                        Bed heaters = 0 -1 -1 -1, chamberHeaters = -1 -1 -1 -1
                        === GCodes ===
                        Segments left: 0
                        Movement lock held by null
                        HTTP is idle in state(s) 0
                        Telnet is idle in state(s) 0
                        File is idle in state(s) 0
                        USB is idle in state(s) 0
                        Aux is idle in state(s) 0
                        Trigger is idle in state(s) 0
                        Queue is idle in state(s) 0
                        LCD is idle in state(s) 0
                        Daemon is idle in state(s) 0
                        Autopause is idle in state(s) 0
                        Code queue is empty.
                        === Network ===
                        Slowest loop: 15.95ms; fastest: 0.00ms
                        Responder states: HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) FTP(0) Telnet(0), 0 sessions
                        HTTP sessions: 1 of 8
                        - WiFi -
                        Network state is active
                        WiFi module is connected to access point 
                        Failed messages: pending 0, notready 0, noresp 0
                        WiFi firmware version 1.25
                        WiFi MAC address dc:4f:22:6e:6c:ca
                        WiFi Vcc 3.43, reset reason Turned on by main processor
                        WiFi flash size 4194304, free heap 19568
                        WiFi IP address 192.168.86.34
                        WiFi signal strength -56dBm, mode 802.11n, reconnections 0, sleep mode modem
                        Clock register 00002002
                        Socket states: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
                        
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                        • Vetiundefined
                          Veti
                          last edited by

                          can you post a picture of your wiring on the duet?

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                          • dc42undefined
                            dc42 administrators
                            last edited by dc42

                            @bwnance, your M122 software reset data doesn't make any sense, so I think it must have been caused by a transient or possible power brownout. Can you run a few more prints to see if any future crashes are similar? You can do air prints to avoid wasting filament.

                            The assertion failure you had with 3.2beta4 is different, that's a known bug that was fixed in 3.2beta4.1.

                            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                            • bwnanceundefined
                              bwnance @dc42
                              last edited by bwnance

                              @dc42 Will do dry-runs throughout today. It's weird, sometimes it completes a print just fine, sometimes it fails -- but all with the same file.

                              @Veti
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                              • hackinistratorundefined
                                hackinistrator
                                last edited by

                                motors very close to the board .
                                maybe try to add some shielding , or relocate the board just for a test .

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                                • bwnanceundefined
                                  bwnance
                                  last edited by

                                  @dc42 crash on a no-filament run:

                                  m122
                                  === Diagnostics ===
                                  RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet version 3.2 running on Duet WiFi 1.02 or later
                                  Board ID: 08DJM-9178L-L2MSD-6J1FA-3S46N-KSFYP
                                  Used output buffers: 3 of 24 (11 max)
                                  === RTOS ===
                                  Static ram: 23460
                                  Dynamic ram: 72744 of which 24 recycled
                                  Never used RAM 15852, free system stack 191 words
                                  Tasks: NETWORK(ready,182) HEAT(blocked,309) MAIN(running,452) IDLE(ready,19)
                                  Owned mutexes: WiFi(NETWORK)
                                  === Platform ===
                                  Last reset 00:01:26 ago, cause: software
                                  Last software reset at 2021-01-08 15:42, reason: HardFault imprec, GCodes spinning, available RAM 15608, slot 0
                                  Software reset code 0x4063 HFSR 0x40000000 CFSR 0x00000400 ICSR 0x00400003 BFAR 0xe000ed38 SP 0x2001ffa8 Task MAIN Freestk 29378 ok
                                  Stack: 20008e54 20008e50 1cc5b538 00000004 0000000a ffffffed 0040f1f8 010f001f 20008e54 20003440 20008110 20004494 a5a5a5a5 ffffffed 00000000 00f00000 e000ef34 c0000000 20004690 004548f5 0045465c 61000000 ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff ffffffff
                                  Error status: 0x00
                                  Aux0 errors 0,0,0
                                  MCU temperature: min 24.0, current 24.4, max 25.2
                                  Supply voltage: min 23.9, current 24.1, max 24.3, under voltage events: 0, over voltage events: 0, power good: yes
                                  Driver 0: position 62528, standstill, SG min/max not available
                                  Driver 1: position 62528, standstill, SG min/max not available
                                  Driver 2: position 62528, standstill, SG min/max not available
                                  Driver 3: position 0, standstill, SG min/max not available
                                  Driver 4: position 0, standstill, SG min/max not available
                                  Driver 5: position 0
                                  Driver 6: position 0
                                  Driver 7: position 0
                                  Driver 8: position 0
                                  Driver 9: position 0
                                  Driver 10: position 0
                                  Driver 11: position 0
                                  Date/time: 2021-01-08 15:43:37
                                  Cache data hit count 105466486
                                  Slowest loop: 4.99ms; fastest: 0.20ms
                                  I2C nak errors 0, send timeouts 0, receive timeouts 0, finishTimeouts 0, resets 0
                                  === Storage ===
                                  Free file entries: 10
                                  SD card 0 detected, interface speed: 20.0MBytes/sec
                                  SD card longest read time 1.1ms, write time 0.0ms, max retries 0
                                  === Move ===
                                  DMs created 83, maxWait 0ms, bed compensation in use: none, comp offset 0.000
                                  === MainDDARing ===
                                  Scheduled moves 0, completed moves 0, hiccups 0, stepErrors 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 0, 0], CDDA state -1
                                  === AuxDDARing ===
                                  Scheduled moves 0, completed moves 0, hiccups 0, stepErrors 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 0, 0], CDDA state -1
                                  === Heat ===
                                  Bed heaters = 0 -1 -1 -1, chamberHeaters = -1 -1 -1 -1
                                  === GCodes ===
                                  Segments left: 0
                                  Movement lock held by null
                                  HTTP is idle in state(s) 0
                                  Telnet is idle in state(s) 0
                                  File is idle in state(s) 0
                                  USB is idle in state(s) 0
                                  Aux is idle in state(s) 0
                                  Trigger is idle in state(s) 0
                                  Queue is idle in state(s) 0
                                  LCD is idle in state(s) 0
                                  Daemon is idle in state(s) 0
                                  Autopause is idle in state(s) 0
                                  Code queue is empty.
                                  === Network ===
                                  Slowest loop: 16.01ms; fastest: 0.00ms
                                  Responder states: HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) FTP(0) Telnet(0), 0 sessions
                                  HTTP sessions: 1 of 8
                                  - WiFi -
                                  Network state is active
                                  WiFi module is connected to access point 
                                  Failed messages: pending 0, notready 0, noresp 0
                                  WiFi firmware version 1.25
                                  WiFi MAC address dc:4f:22:6e:6c:ca
                                  WiFi Vcc 3.43, reset reason Turned on by main processor
                                  WiFi flash size 4194304, free heap 22320
                                  WiFi IP address 192.168.86.34
                                  WiFi signal strength -55dBm, mode 802.11n, reconnections 0, sleep mode modem
                                  Clock register 00002002
                                  Socket states: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
                                  
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                                  • bwnanceundefined
                                    bwnance
                                    last edited by

                                    Anotha one.

                                    M122
                                    === Diagnostics ===
                                    RepRapFirmware for Duet 2 WiFi/Ethernet version 3.2 running on Duet WiFi 1.02 or later
                                    Board ID: 08DJM-9178L-L2MSD-6J1FA-3S46N-KSFYP
                                    Used output buffers: 3 of 24 (11 max)
                                    === RTOS ===
                                    Static ram: 23460
                                    Dynamic ram: 72744 of which 24 recycled
                                    Never used RAM 15852, free system stack 193 words
                                    Tasks: NETWORK(ready,194) HEAT(blocked,307) MAIN(running,456) IDLE(ready,19)
                                    Owned mutexes:
                                    === Platform ===
                                    Last reset 00:00:21 ago, cause: software
                                    Last software reset at 2021-01-08 16:41, reason: HardFault invState, GCodes spinning, available RAM 15608, slot 1
                                    Software reset code 0x4063 HFSR 0x40000000 CFSR 0x00020000 ICSR 0x0041f803 BFAR 0xe000ed38 SP 0x200043e0 Task MAIN Freestk 976 ok
                                    Stack: 00000002 200099c0 00000100 00000000 200178b8 0042d68f 00000000 600f0000 0042d75a 610f0000 ffffffff 0000000a 010095c8 20008e54 00000000 00000000 00000000 00454a15 20008e54 00000000 20008e54 00454daf 200099c4 00454f3b 00000000 ffffffff 200099c0
                                    Error status: 0x00
                                    Aux0 errors 0,0,0
                                    MCU temperature: min 24.0, current 24.6, max 25.0
                                    Supply voltage: min 24.0, current 24.0, max 24.2, under voltage events: 0, over voltage events: 0, power good: yes
                                    Driver 0: position 62528, standstill, SG min/max not available
                                    Driver 1: position 62528, standstill, SG min/max not available
                                    Driver 2: position 62528, standstill, SG min/max not available
                                    Driver 3: position 0, standstill, SG min/max not available
                                    Driver 4: position 0, standstill, SG min/max not available
                                    Driver 5: position 0
                                    Driver 6: position 0
                                    Driver 7: position 0
                                    Driver 8: position 0
                                    Driver 9: position 0
                                    Driver 10: position 0
                                    Driver 11: position 0
                                    Date/time: 2021-01-08 16:42:20
                                    Cache data hit count 25138224
                                    Slowest loop: 4.94ms; fastest: 0.20ms
                                    I2C nak errors 0, send timeouts 0, receive timeouts 0, finishTimeouts 0, resets 0
                                    === Storage ===
                                    Free file entries: 10
                                    SD card 0 detected, interface speed: 20.0MBytes/sec
                                    SD card longest read time 1.1ms, write time 0.0ms, max retries 0
                                    === Move ===
                                    DMs created 83, maxWait 0ms, bed compensation in use: none, comp offset 0.000
                                    === MainDDARing ===
                                    Scheduled moves 0, completed moves 0, hiccups 0, stepErrors 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 0, 0], CDDA state -1
                                    === AuxDDARing ===
                                    Scheduled moves 0, completed moves 0, hiccups 0, stepErrors 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 0, 0], CDDA state -1
                                    === Heat ===
                                    Bed heaters = 0 -1 -1 -1, chamberHeaters = -1 -1 -1 -1
                                    === GCodes ===
                                    Segments left: 0
                                    Movement lock held by null
                                    HTTP is idle in state(s) 0
                                    Telnet is idle in state(s) 0
                                    File is idle in state(s) 0
                                    USB is idle in state(s) 0
                                    Aux is idle in state(s) 0
                                    Trigger is idle in state(s) 0
                                    Queue is idle in state(s) 0
                                    LCD is idle in state(s) 0
                                    Daemon is idle in state(s) 0
                                    Autopause is idle in state(s) 0
                                    Code queue is empty.
                                    === Network ===
                                    Slowest loop: 15.68ms; fastest: 0.00ms
                                    Responder states: HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) FTP(0) Telnet(0), 0 sessions
                                    HTTP sessions: 1 of 8
                                    - WiFi -
                                    Network state is active
                                    WiFi module is connected to access point 
                                    Failed messages: pending 0, notready 0, noresp 0
                                    WiFi firmware version 1.25
                                    WiFi MAC address dc:4f:22:6e:6c:ca
                                    WiFi Vcc 3.43, reset reason Turned on by main processor
                                    WiFi flash size 4194304, free heap 22400
                                    WiFi IP address 192.168.86.34
                                    WiFi signal strength -57dBm, mode 802.11n, reconnections 0, sleep mode modem
                                    Clock register 00002002
                                    Socket states: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
                                    
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                                    • bwnanceundefined
                                      bwnance
                                      last edited by

                                      @hackinistrator Moved the board over and repositioned the berdair to be nowhere near the board... we shall see.

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                                      • hackinistratorundefined
                                        hackinistrator @bwnance
                                        last edited by

                                        @bwnance
                                        so?

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                                        • bwnanceundefined
                                          bwnance @hackinistrator
                                          last edited by

                                          @hackinistrator haven't had a bunch of time, but i've run 3 dry runs so far with no issue - a pretty good sign.

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                                          • dc42undefined
                                            dc42 administrators
                                            last edited by dc42

                                            Is the Berdair driven directly from a Duet heater output? If so then I suggest twisted pair wires between the two. Hand twisted will do.

                                            Have you connected a fast recovery flyback diode in parallel with the Berdair? The best place for it is on the motor terminals. Make sure you connect it the right way round!

                                            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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