Duet3D Logo Duet3D
    • Tags
    • Documentation
    • Order
    • Register
    • Login

    Changing pt100 to standard thermistor

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved
    Tuning and tweaking
    6
    76
    3.0k
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • Atraedesundefined
      Atraedes
      last edited by

      can i save the set up files and perhaps default the board? perhaps flash it or start again? or will that not change anything?

      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • dc42undefined
        dc42 administrators
        last edited by dc42

        If it spiked to 1600C that suggests either an intermittent short circuit, or a short between the heater terminals and the thermistor wires, or ESD. These same causes would explain the error report "last error: short-circuit in sensor" you had when using the PT100.

        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • Atraedesundefined
          Atraedes
          last edited by

          thanks, i guess you're right as i cant find any other fault i can see, so if the thermistor and heater terminals touch at the heater block that would also cause a short?

          dc42undefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • dc42undefined
            dc42 administrators @Atraedes
            last edited by

            @Atraedes said in Changing pt100 to standard thermistor:

            thanks, i guess you're right as i cant find any other fault i can see, so if the thermistor and heater terminals touch at the heater block that would also cause a short?

            It's not uncommon for heater cartridges to develop shorts between the element and the case, which connects the hot end metalwork to VIN. If you also get a short between the temperature sensor and the hot end metalwork, that will short the sensor to VIN.

            If you have a connector in the sensor cable, check that connector. Sometimes a single strand of wire escapes the crimp and touches the other one.

            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • Atraedesundefined
              Atraedes
              last edited by

              thanks, i will check that now, i only crimped that ruddy jst connector earlier and now that you mention it that seems the likely cause, many thanks

              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • Atraedesundefined
                Atraedes
                last edited by

                must have been the thermistor connector in the board, changed it and steady now for 20mins, doing the first test...

                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • Phaedruxundefined
                  Phaedrux Moderator
                  last edited by

                  When did it give that M501 error? Did you send M501?

                  Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                  • Atraedesundefined
                    Atraedes
                    last edited by

                    i did and it still did it, thanks anyway, the machine has found its way out the window so its all good now, thanks anyway

                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • Phaedruxundefined
                      Phaedrux Moderator
                      last edited by Phaedrux

                      You don't send M501. You put it at the end of config.g and that's it.

                      When the duet powers on it runs through config.g to configure the machine. Then at the end it gets to M501 and then it knows to also load config-override.g, which has your tuned PID settings.

                      So when you sent M501 when the heater was running at 200c it re-applied any saved PID values it had saved in config-override.g from when you did the PID tuning and saved them with M500. That's probably where the fault came from.

                      Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • Atraedesundefined
                        Atraedes
                        last edited by

                        no i did as you advised, when the pid tune completed, i went into system in the web ui, and put m501 at the end of the config.g file, saved, it asked to reset it to save the settings and i checked it afterwards and m501 was still in the config.g file, was that not the way to do it?

                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • Phaedruxundefined
                          Phaedrux Moderator @Phaedrux
                          last edited by

                          @Phaedrux said in Changing pt100 to standard thermistor:

                          PID tune, send M500 in console, add M501 to config.g. done.

                          Here's a guided example: https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Guide/Ender+3+Pro+and+Duet+Maestro+Guide+Part+4:+Calibration/40#s161

                          Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • Atraedesundefined
                            Atraedes
                            last edited by

                            i first sent m500 from the console in the web ui at the end of the pid tune, that saved, then did as i thought you said in the config.g, as above

                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                            • Atraedesundefined
                              Atraedes
                              last edited by

                              thanks for the guide, i think i did all of this but perhaps i missed something, i will try again after ive checked all the cables again, many thanks

                              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                              • Phaedruxundefined
                                Phaedrux Moderator
                                last edited by

                                I think you've got it, just trying to understand if the error was related.

                                Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

                                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                • Atraedesundefined
                                  Atraedes
                                  last edited by

                                  it must be something i missed, perhaps another bad connection, i think its due a full rewire to be totally sure, thanks again, good night

                                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                  • Atraedesundefined
                                    Atraedes
                                    last edited by

                                    @Phaedrux - Thanks again for your help with this, and everyone else, again, much appreciated! So I've swapped the heater block & heater cables, and no more errors! Cant be sure what it may have been as the entire hotend plate & all was new, upgraded from bowden rig to the sovol sv01 complete hotend as I had that laying around. So all resolved. If its not to much trouble, I'm assuming I need to change the feedrate now that I've changed my Chiron bowden setup to direct drive? How would i change and save it, thanks in advance

                                    Phaedruxundefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                    • Phaedruxundefined
                                      Phaedrux Moderator @Atraedes
                                      last edited by

                                      @Atraedes said in Changing pt100 to standard thermistor:

                                      I'm assuming I need to change the feedrate now that I've changed my Chiron bowden setup to direct drive? How would i change and save it, thanks in advance

                                      If the motor and gear ratio is the same, it should be similar steps per mm. But you should probably recalibrate the extruder just to get it accurate.

                                      https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Guide/Ender+3+Pro+and+Duet+Maestro+Guide+Part+4:+Calibration/40#s165

                                      Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

                                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                      • Atraedesundefined
                                        Atraedes
                                        last edited by

                                        i had already calculated e-steps but realise now I didn't change it in the config.g file, so should be a simple edit config.g, change m92 to the new value, and as i already have m501 at the end of my config.g file just save and reset and good to go for that tune at least?

                                        theruttmeisterundefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                                        • theruttmeisterundefined
                                          theruttmeister @Atraedes
                                          last edited by

                                          @Atraedes
                                          Yes.

                                          Isolate, substitute, verify.

                                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                          • Atraedesundefined
                                            Atraedes
                                            last edited by

                                            cheers, much appreciated

                                            1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                            • First post
                                              Last post
                                            Unless otherwise noted, all forum content is licensed under CC-BY-SA