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Changing pt100 to standard thermistor

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    Veti
    last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 20:24

    post a picture of the temperature graph.

    also do you have the silicone sock on?

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      Atraedes
      last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 20:33

      Screenshot 2021-01-12 20.32.24.png
      Yes got a sock on, and thanks for your assistance

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        Atraedes
        last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 20:34

        sorry did you want me to rest the hotend and heat again first?

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          Atraedes
          last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 20:35

          reset the hotend even

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            Veti
            last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 20:45

            when the error occured

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              Atraedes
              last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 20:54

              it happened when i was heating the hotend to 205c to do a test cube

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                Atraedes
                last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 20:56

                I've got it heated to 200c now and for the last 15mins or so and it seems ok, but this is probably the 3rd or so time its had a hotend error since i made the changes earlier today

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                  Atraedes
                  last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 21:01

                  ok so its just done it again, temp spiked instantly up to 1600, then 1k, and lower but all within seconds, and now its almost cold...

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                    Atraedes
                    last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 21:02

                    can i save the set up files and perhaps default the board? perhaps flash it or start again? or will that not change anything?

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                      dc42 administrators
                      last edited by dc42 1 Dec 2021, 21:19 12 Jan 2021, 21:17

                      If it spiked to 1600C that suggests either an intermittent short circuit, or a short between the heater terminals and the thermistor wires, or ESD. These same causes would explain the error report "last error: short-circuit in sensor" you had when using the PT100.

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                        Atraedes
                        last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 21:22

                        thanks, i guess you're right as i cant find any other fault i can see, so if the thermistor and heater terminals touch at the heater block that would also cause a short?

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                          dc42 administrators @Atraedes
                          last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 21:27

                          @Atraedes said in Changing pt100 to standard thermistor:

                          thanks, i guess you're right as i cant find any other fault i can see, so if the thermistor and heater terminals touch at the heater block that would also cause a short?

                          It's not uncommon for heater cartridges to develop shorts between the element and the case, which connects the hot end metalwork to VIN. If you also get a short between the temperature sensor and the hot end metalwork, that will short the sensor to VIN.

                          If you have a connector in the sensor cable, check that connector. Sometimes a single strand of wire escapes the crimp and touches the other one.

                          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                            Atraedes
                            last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 21:29

                            thanks, i will check that now, i only crimped that ruddy jst connector earlier and now that you mention it that seems the likely cause, many thanks

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                              Atraedes
                              last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 22:00

                              must have been the thermistor connector in the board, changed it and steady now for 20mins, doing the first test...

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                                Phaedrux Moderator
                                last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 22:14

                                When did it give that M501 error? Did you send M501?

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                                  Atraedes
                                  last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 22:20

                                  i did and it still did it, thanks anyway, the machine has found its way out the window so its all good now, thanks anyway

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                                    Phaedrux Moderator
                                    last edited by Phaedrux 1 Dec 2021, 22:27 12 Jan 2021, 22:26

                                    You don't send M501. You put it at the end of config.g and that's it.

                                    When the duet powers on it runs through config.g to configure the machine. Then at the end it gets to M501 and then it knows to also load config-override.g, which has your tuned PID settings.

                                    So when you sent M501 when the heater was running at 200c it re-applied any saved PID values it had saved in config-override.g from when you did the PID tuning and saved them with M500. That's probably where the fault came from.

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                                      Atraedes
                                      last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 22:29

                                      no i did as you advised, when the pid tune completed, i went into system in the web ui, and put m501 at the end of the config.g file, saved, it asked to reset it to save the settings and i checked it afterwards and m501 was still in the config.g file, was that not the way to do it?

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                                        Phaedrux Moderator @Phaedrux
                                        last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 22:31

                                        @Phaedrux said in Changing pt100 to standard thermistor:

                                        PID tune, send M500 in console, add M501 to config.g. done.

                                        Here's a guided example: https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Guide/Ender+3+Pro+and+Duet+Maestro+Guide+Part+4:+Calibration/40#s161

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                                          Atraedes
                                          last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 22:31

                                          i first sent m500 from the console in the web ui at the end of the pid tune, that saved, then did as i thought you said in the config.g, as above

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