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    dc42 administrators @fcwilt
    last edited by 14 Jan 2021, 21:56

    @fcwilt said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

    @Luke-sLaboratory

    Interesting.

    But I thought printers with tool changers had all the wiring running to a moving part (on the X gantry) and the different tools "plugged in" to the moving part and thus all tools shared the one set of wires.

    Frederick

    Sadly there is a patent on that.

    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
    http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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      Luke'sLaboratory @fcwilt
      last edited by 14 Jan 2021, 22:04

      @fcwilt

      My TC design can use either of these two coupling systems (I started designing the Stablebot Core after e3d's reveal of the TC system)
      https://e3d-online.com/products/toolchanger-motion-system-bundle-tools https://jubilee3d.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

      Aside from patent issues - This makes it easier to support tools like the ASMBL, Cameras, Insert Placers, and many more tools that haven't even been created yet (I have a pellet extruder on the way!). But, it adds bulk from unique wiring per-tool. Perhaps V2 will include reliable on-gantry wire harnessing if there is a possibility of not infringing on other patents

      Luke
      http://lukeslab.online

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        fcwilt @dc42
        last edited by fcwilt 14 Jan 2021, 22:07

        @dc42 said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

        Sadly there is a patent on that.

        Really? A patent on something so obvious?

        Who holds the patent?

        What country issued the patent? I know America is terrible about issuing patents without taking to time to research the existing technologies that may apply. You might say we issue the best patents money can buy.

        Thanks.

        Frederick

        Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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          Phaedrux Moderator @fcwilt
          last edited by 14 Jan 2021, 22:10

          @fcwilt said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

          That picture does not exactly fill me with a feeling of confidence.

          @Luke-sLaboratory LTTstore.com 😜

          Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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            Luke'sLaboratory @fcwilt
            last edited by 14 Jan 2021, 22:25

            @fcwilt https://patents.google.com/patent/US8926484B1/en I'm not a patent lawyer, but I'mma avoid that one.

            @Phaedrux Yep! I wish I had as much merch as them, but I'm not exactly a multi-million dollar shop. 😄

            Luke
            http://lukeslab.online

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              fcwilt @Luke'sLaboratory
              last edited by 14 Jan 2021, 22:30

              @Luke-sLaboratory said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

              @fcwilt https://patents.google.com/patent/US8926484B1/en I'm not a patent lawyer, but I'mma avoid that one.

              @Phaedrux Yep! I wish I had as much merch as them, but I'm not exactly a multi-million dollar shop. 😄

              Thanks.

              Yes that looks like one of those patents issued by our patent office by someone who failed to do the research to see that this is an obvious thing to do and thus not deserving of a patent.

              Frederick

              Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                Luke'sLaboratory @fcwilt
                last edited by 14 Jan 2021, 22:32

                @fcwilt Oh, plenty of that, but I don't have the $ to play anti-patent troll.

                Maybe someday.

                sorry @bricoletout for occupying your thread.

                Luke
                http://lukeslab.online

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                  bricoletout @Luke'sLaboratory
                  last edited by 15 Jan 2021, 20:11

                  @Luke-sLaboratory said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

                  @fcwilt Oh, plenty of that, but I don't have the $ to play anti-patent troll.

                  Maybe someday.

                  sorry @bricoletout for occupying your thread.

                  this is a kind of occupation 🙂

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                    fcwilt @bricoletout
                    last edited by 15 Jan 2021, 20:46

                    @bricoletout

                    Let us know what you end up purchasing.

                    Frederick

                    Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                      bricoletout @fcwilt
                      last edited by 16 Jan 2021, 06:23

                      @fcwilt said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

                      @bricoletout

                      Let us know what you end up purchasing.

                      Frederick

                      Yes I will, but it's a hard work to choose.

                      Loïc.

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                        timothyz @bricoletout
                        last edited by 25 Jan 2021, 20:04

                        @bricoletout
                        Just wanted to make sure you know about this printer: https://www.projectr3d.com/shop/p/daedalus

                        It checks all of your boxes and is ready to go!

                        I want one 😛

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                          bricoletout @timothyz
                          last edited by 27 Jan 2021, 15:21

                          @timothyz said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):

                          @bricoletout
                          Just wanted to make sure you know about this printer: https://www.projectr3d.com/shop/p/daedalus

                          It checks all of your boxes and is ready to go!

                          I want one 😛

                          I will have a look thank you.

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                            jrockland @Luke'sLaboratory
                            last edited by 28 Jan 2021, 16:34

                            @Luke-sLaboratory are you running 6hc+3hc with klipper ? PLEASE send me your config files !!! I can't figure out how to setup the stepper motors and I really want to give it a try

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                              jrockland
                              last edited by 28 Jan 2021, 16:44

                              Most industrial printers will be available on rental basis, installation and support included. Some even offer help with slicing.
                              Most industrial printer will have their own filament and you will have to buy it from them; it is where they are making their money.
                              If you only want to prototype (3d printers arent good for production anyway) you should be good to go with a lower stratasys but you will be stock with their filament either way. The "open source" type printers will be much cheaper and let you use wathever you want as filament but are unstable.. just get good out of the box printers and buy twice as much so you always have backups.

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                                Luke'sLaboratory @jrockland
                                last edited by 28 Jan 2021, 18:00

                                @jrockland

                                I only have a mini5+ currently running Klipper. I'm working on proper ports for the 6HC + 3HC, and haven't started CAN modules for these boards whatsoever. The 6HC + 3HC should be pretty easy ports, all things considered, but I'm not a microcontroller programmer. I'll be posting a build in here (and on my website) using the D3 Mini 5+ hopefully this weekend (just started assembly last night)

                                Luke
                                http://lukeslab.online

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                                  jrockland @Luke'sLaboratory
                                  last edited by 28 Jan 2021, 18:32

                                  @Luke-sLaboratory same here, I design printers and parts but Im not a programmer.. ill take a look at your mini when its gona be public as I think they use the same chip so it might be a good start.
                                  Yet I havent found anyone who installed klippers on 6hc/3hc..

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