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    A Former User @kj3d
    last edited by A Former User 29 Jan 2021, 17:32

    @kj3d

    Regarding hardware and firmware the only things we have in common seem to be:

    • RRF3.2
    • Simplify3D-4.1.2
    • thermostatic heat-break-fan
    • gcode-partcooling-fan
    • EDIT (see conversation): PanelDue

    Right?

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      kj3d
      last edited by 29 Jan 2021, 17:36

      Other than the Panel Due then yes you are right

      Looking at your GCODE have you tried switch on the hotend fan using M106 (from DWC) BEFORE it reaches the preset start temp?

      I tried and mine just sat there without starting. However once the preset start limit is reached it seems to follow the M106 command for anything (irrespective of what fan the M106 command targets)

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        Phaedrux Moderator
        last edited by Phaedrux 29 Jan 2021, 17:44

        The tool fan slider will mirror what your part cooling fan is set to. They are the same fan. Thermostatically controlled fans don't show up in the UI at all. Click on change visibility to hide the tool fan if you wish. It only makes sense on machines with multiple tools where it will control the fan of the currently selected tool.

        If the UI slider is changing the speed of your heat sink fan, it's either a configuration or wiring problem.

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          A Former User @kj3d
          last edited by 29 Jan 2021, 17:46

          @kj3d

          I was just looking here https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Gcode#Section_M106_Fan_On

          and this section made me curious:

          Hnn:nn:nn... Enable thermostatic mode and select heaters monitored. H-1 disables thermostatic mode. (In RRF_3 relates to the sensor number(s) created by M308, not the temperature sensor pin number on the board)

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            A Former User @Phaedrux
            last edited by A Former User 29 Jan 2021, 17:47

            @Phaedrux said in Duet 3 - Cooling fan configurations:

            The tool fan slider will mirror what your part cooling fan is set to.

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            Does that make any sense or doesn´t that mean that the "part cooling fan" should be kicked out forever once and for all from the firmware?

            EDIT: Moved, see conversation

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              Phaedrux Moderator
              last edited by 29 Jan 2021, 17:48

              I don't know what you mean by that.

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                A Former User @Phaedrux
                last edited by A Former User 29 Jan 2021, 17:50

                @Phaedrux said in Duet 3 - Cooling fan configurations:

                I don't know what you mean by that.

                If that is the same fan:
                9f77d097-a7b1-4daa-b3cb-5519024ccd2c-grafik.png
                why is it occupying screen-space 2 times? hey, I do not know, I am a single-extruder-single-tool-user, maybe somebody can explain it to me - could be that there is a benefit for multi-tool-users I guess?

                EDIT: Moved, see conversation

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                  Phaedrux Moderator
                  last edited by 29 Jan 2021, 17:52

                  As I explained, in machines with multiple tools the tool fan slider will always control the fan of the currently selected tool.

                  In machines with only a single tool you can hide either the tool fan or the print cool fan slider if you wish with the change visibility button.

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                    A Former User @Phaedrux
                    last edited by A Former User 29 Jan 2021, 17:57

                    @Phaedrux

                    Maybe for our kind (the OP and me) why not only have within DWC "Tool Fan (your current print cool fan)" and that´s it? If it is really the same why have 2 sliders when you can do it with one. If you insist to have 2 sliders then they are not the same? Or am I wrong here (maybe time for a 2nd tool to try out and see?)

                    EDIT: Moved, see conversation

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                      Phaedrux Moderator
                      last edited by 29 Jan 2021, 18:01

                      Because the Duet is built around the concept of flexible tools. Some of those decisions and functions only become usefully apparent when multiple tools are apparent.

                      I would agree that it would be clearer for new users with only a single tool to show only a single slider, but it's really not such a big deal is it? You can hide it if you wish. There is a button right above it that says change visibility.

                      Here's another use case that might make more sense even if you have only a single tool, you may have 2 part cooling fans. left and right for instance. The tool fan will control the fans configured in the tool definition, so both fans at once. But you would also have an independant slider for each fan in case you wanted to adjust only one or the other.

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                        A Former User @Phaedrux
                        last edited by A Former User 29 Jan 2021, 18:05

                        @Phaedrux

                        Thanks for the example! So basically "all" tool fans i guess.
                        EDIT: I moved this side-talk to https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/21300/tool-fans-representation-within-dwc

                        But I deraild now what the OP had as problem! He actually sat down and tried different values and there seems to be some intertwining with the fans anyway (let´s keep DWC out from now on):

                        "
                        If the temperature on the tool fan is below the set point (35c) then only Fan 0 (part cooling fan) turns on. If the temp on the hotend is above 35c then moving the slider in the DWC ui changes the speed in both fans
                        "
                        Sorry @kj3d

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                          Phaedrux Moderator
                          last edited by 29 Jan 2021, 18:06

                          @kj3d Can you post your config.g as copy and paste text?

                          Can you also send M122 and post the results, along with M98 P"config.g"?

                          your config appears to be correct. Usually if the heat sink fan is changing speed along with the part cooling fan that would indicate either the tool definition is incorrectly mapping both fans, or there is a wiring problem.

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                            A Former User @kj3d
                            last edited by 29 Jan 2021, 18:08

                            @kj3d

                            If you happen to have a permanent marker or a sticker I like to put that on the fan, that helps to be able to vaguely judge the running speed beside wetting a finger and putting it in front of it

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                              kj3d @Phaedrux
                              last edited by 29 Jan 2021, 18:40

                              @Phaedrux

                              config.g:

                              ; Configuration file for Duet 3 (firmware version 3)
                              ; executed by the firmware on start-up
                              ;
                              ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.2.2 on Wed Jan 27 2021 12:22:57 GMT+0000 (Greenwich Mean Time)

                              ; General preferences
                              G90 ; send absolute coordinates...
                              M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
                              M550 P"KJ3D Delta" ; set printer name
                              M665 R227 L440 B185 H405 ; Set delta radius, diagonal rod length, printable radius and homed height
                              M666 X0 Y0 Z0 ; put your endstop adjustments here, or let auto calibration find them

                              ; Network
                              M551 P"freddy5363" ; set password
                              M552 P0.0.0.0 S1 ; enable network and acquire dynamic address via DHCP
                              M586 P0 S1 ; enable HTTP
                              M586 P1 S0 ; disable FTP
                              M586 P2 S0 ; disable Telnet

                              ; Drives
                              M569 P0.0 S1 ; physical drive 0.0 goes forwards
                              M569 P0.1 S1 ; physical drive 0.1 goes forwards
                              M569 P0.2 S1 ; physical drive 0.2 goes forwards
                              M569 P0.3 S1 ; physical drive 0.3 goes forwards
                              M584 X0.0 Y0.1 Z0.2 E0.3 ; set drive mapping
                              M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
                              M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z80.00 E335.00 ; set steps per mm
                              M566 X1200.00 Y1200.00 Z1200.00 E1200.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                              M203 X18000.00 Y18000.00 Z18000.00 E1200.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                              M201 X1000.00 Y1000.00 Z1000.00 E1000.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                              M906 X1000 Y1000 Z1000 E800 I30 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
                              M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout

                              ; Axis Limits
                              M208 Z0 S1 ; set minimum Z

                              ; Endstops
                              M574 X2 S1 P"io1.in" ; configure active-high endstop for high end on X via pin io1.in
                              M574 Y2 S1 P"io2.in" ; configure active-high endstop for high end on Y via pin io2.in
                              M574 Z2 S1 P"io3.in" ; configure active-high endstop for high end on Z via pin io3.in

                              ; Z-Probe
                              M558 P5 R0.4 C"io4.in+io4.out" H5 F1200 T6000 ; set Z probe type to effector and the dive height + speeds
                              ;M558 H30 ;*** Remove this line after delta calibration has been done and new delta parameters have been saved
                              G31 P500 X0 Y0 Z-0.232 ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
                              M557 R185 S20 ; define mesh grid

                              ; Heaters
                              M308 S0 P"temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin temp0
                              M950 H0 C"out0" T0 ; create bed heater output on out0 and map it to sensor 0
                              M307 H0 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
                              M140 H0 ; map heated bed to heater 0
                              M143 H0 S120 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
                              M308 S1 P"temp1" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin temp1
                              M950 H1 C"out1" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on out1 and map it to sensor 1
                              M307 H1 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater and set PWM limit
                              M143 H1 S280 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C

                              ; Fans
                              M950 F0 C"out4" Q500 ; create fan 0 on pin out4 and set its frequency
                              M106 P0 S0 H-1 ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
                              M950 F1 C"out5" Q500 ; create fan 1 on pin out5 and set its frequency
                              M106 P1 S1 H1 T35 ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on

                              ; Tools
                              M563 P0 D0 H1 F0 ; define tool 0
                              G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
                              G10 P0 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C

                              ; Custom settings are not defined

                              ; Miscellaneous
                              M575 P1 S1 B57600 ; enable support for PanelDue
                              M501 ; load saved parameters from non-volatile memory
                              M911 S10 R11 P"M913 X0 Y0 G91 M83 G1 Z3 E-5 F1000" ; set voltage thresholds and actions to run on power loss

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                                kj3d @Phaedrux
                                last edited by 29 Jan 2021, 18:42

                                @Phaedrux

                                M112 produced an interesting result (sent via consel)

                                ee5a82ea-9a86-4b74-8203-3c1857b41b13-image.png

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                                  kj3d @kj3d
                                  last edited by 29 Jan 2021, 18:44

                                  M122 was much better!!

                                  KJ3D Delta
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                                  Status
                                  Idle
                                  Mode: FFF
                                  Tool Position
                                  X
                                  0.0
                                  Y
                                  0.0
                                  Z
                                  399.04
                                  Extruder Drives
                                  Drive 0
                                  0.0
                                  Speeds
                                  Requested Speed
                                  0 mm/s
                                  Top Speed
                                  0 mm/s
                                  Sensors
                                  Vin
                                  23.9 V
                                  V12
                                  12.1 V
                                  MCU Temperature
                                  29.5 C
                                  Z-Probe
                                  0
                                  Tools
                                  Extra
                                  Control All
                                  Tool Heater Current Active Standby
                                  Tool 0
                                  T0 - Sunlu - White Heater 1
                                  off 13.1 C
                                  0
                                  0
                                  Bed Heater 0
                                  off 15.4 C
                                  0
                                  0
                                  Temperature Chart
                                  M122
                                  29/01/2021, 18:43:40 M122
                                  === Diagnostics ===
                                  RepRapFirmware for Duet 3 MB6HC version 3.01-RC9 running on Duet 3 MB6HC v1.01 or later
                                  Board ID: 08DJM-956BA-NA3TJ-6JKD4-3S46M-KB8USUsed output buffers: 1 of 40 (12 max)
                                  === RTOS ===
                                  Static ram: 154572
                                  Dynamic ram: 161276 of which 44 recycled
                                  Exception stack ram used: 440
                                  Never used ram: 76884
                                  Tasks: NETWORK(ready,236) ETHERNET(blocked,444) HEAT(blocked,1184) CanReceiv(suspended,3824) CanSender(suspended,1436) CanClock(blocked,1428) TMC(blocked,80) MAIN(running,4532) IDLE(ready,80)
                                  Owned mutexes:
                                  === Platform ===
                                  Last reset 00:00:54 ago, cause: software
                                  Last software reset at 2021-01-29 18:42, reason: User, spinning module GCodes, available RAM 77060 bytes (slot 2)
                                  Software reset code 0x0003 HFSR 0x00000000 CFSR 0x00000000 ICSR 0x0444a000 BFAR 0x00000000 SP 0xffffffff Task 0x4e49414d
                                  Error status: 0
                                  Free file entries: 10
                                  SD card 0 detected, interface speed: 25.0MBytes/sec
                                  SD card longest block write time: 0.0ms, max retries 0
                                  MCU temperature: min 28.2, current 29.4, max 29.5
                                  Supply voltage: min 23.8, current 23.9, max 24.1, under voltage events: 0, over voltage events: 0, power good: yes
                                  12V rail voltage: min 12.0, current 12.1, max 12.2, under voltage events: 0
                                  Driver 0: standstill, reads 5931, writes 19 timeouts 0, SG min/max 0/166
                                  Driver 1: standstill, reads 5932, writes 19 timeouts 0, SG min/max 0/160
                                  Driver 2: standstill, reads 5932, writes 19 timeouts 0, SG min/max 0/158
                                  Driver 3: standstill, reads 5938, writes 14 timeouts 0, SG min/max 0/0
                                  Driver 4: standstill, reads 5942, writes 11 timeouts 0, SG min/max 0/0
                                  Driver 5: standstill, reads 5942, writes 11 timeouts 0, SG min/max 0/0
                                  Date/time: 2021-01-29 18:43:40
                                  Slowest loop: 8.89ms; fastest: 0.14ms
                                  === Move ===
                                  Hiccups: 0(0), FreeDm: 375, MinFreeDm: 369, MaxWait: 13123ms
                                  Bed compensation in use: none, comp offset 0.000
                                  === MainDDARing ===
                                  Scheduled moves: 5, completed moves: 5, StepErrors: 0, LaErrors: 0, Underruns: 0, 0 CDDA state: -1
                                  === AuxDDARing ===
                                  Scheduled moves: 0, completed moves: 0, StepErrors: 0, LaErrors: 0, Underruns: 0, 0 CDDA state: -1
                                  === Heat ===
                                  Bed heaters = 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1, chamberHeaters = -1 -1 -1 -1
                                  === GCodes ===
                                  Segments left: 0
                                  Movement lock held by null
                                  HTTP is idle in state(s) 0
                                  Telnet is idle in state(s) 0
                                  File is idle in state(s) 0
                                  USB is idle in state(s) 0
                                  Aux is idle in state(s) 0
                                  Trigger is idle in state(s) 0
                                  Queue is idle in state(s) 0
                                  LCD is idle in state(s) 0
                                  SBC is idle in state(s) 0
                                  Daemon is idle in state(s) 0
                                  Autopause is idle in state(s) 0
                                  Code queue is empty.
                                  === Network ===
                                  Slowest loop: 10.27ms; fastest: 0.03ms
                                  Responder states: HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) FTP(0) Telnet(0) Telnet(0)
                                  HTTP sessions: 1 of 8

                                  • Ethernet -
                                    State: active
                                    Error counts: 0 0 0 0 0
                                    Socket states: 5 2 2 2 2 0 0 0
                                    === CAN ===
                                    Messages sent 219, longest wait 0ms for type 0
                                    === Linux interface ===
                                    State: 0, failed transfers: 0
                                    Last transfer: 54411ms ago
                                    RX/TX seq numbers: 0/1
                                    SPI underruns 0, overruns 0
                                    Number of disconnects: 0
                                    Buffer RX/TX: 0/0-0
                                    29/01/2021, 18:42:49 Connection established
                                    29/01/2021, 18:42:49 Connection interrupted, attempting to reconnect...
                                    29/01/2021, 18:40:57 Emergency stop, attemping to reconnect...
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                                    Phaedrux Moderator @kj3d
                                    last edited by 29 Jan 2021, 18:47

                                    @kj3d said in Duet 3 - Cooling fan configurations:

                                    RepRapFirmware for Duet 3 MB6HC version 3.01-RC9 running on Duet 3 MB6HC v1.01 or later

                                    Let's update your firmware.

                                    If you still have access to DWC. Upload these zip files, one at a time. Don't extract them. Reboot after each. Use M115 to verify the firmware has been applied.
                                    https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/releases/download/3.0/Duet2and3Firmware-3.0.zip
                                    https://github.com/Duet3D/RepRapFirmware/releases/download/3.2/Duet2and3Firmware-3.2.zip
                                    That will get your firmware and DWC up to date.

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                                      kj3d @Phaedrux
                                      last edited by 29 Jan 2021, 18:47

                                      @Phaedrux said in Duet 3 - Cooling fan configurations:

                                      M98 P"config.g"?

                                      M98 config.PNG

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                                        kj3d @Phaedrux
                                        last edited by 29 Jan 2021, 18:49

                                        @Phaedrux

                                        Please confirm how the files are uploaded (DWC is connected)

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                                          Phaedrux Moderator
                                          last edited by 29 Jan 2021, 18:50

                                          Go to the system tab and use the upload file button.

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