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    martin7404 @3DPrintingWorld
    last edited by 4 Mar 2021, 17:13

    @3DPrintingWorld I have to disassemble to check that with the set screws, but I am sure everything was tightened well. I will have to disassemble . YEs 3.2.2

    Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
    Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
    Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
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      martin7404
      last edited by martin7404 3 Apr 2021, 18:40 4 Mar 2021, 18:37


      https://youtu.be/ImSpw3hpFJg

      Here is video U axis moving

      Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
      Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
      Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
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        3DPrintingWorld @sinned6915
        last edited by 4 Mar 2021, 19:16

        @sinned6915 said in Independently leveled Z axis Issue:

        If you use a Z probe then the Z motors must be connected to the main board. This is planned to be fixed in release 3.4."

        Thanks for pointing this out, no one has motioned this so far. I have moved the Z motors to the wifi temporarily but didn't see a difference in leveling so I switched it back. I did not realize this was a issue, I will work on permanently moving X and Y to the Duex and Z to the WIFI.

        Hey @Guillaume-G, you might like to know this.

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          3DPrintingWorld @martin7404
          last edited by 4 Mar 2021, 19:17

          @martin7404 said in Independently leveled Z axis Issue:

          have to disassemble to check that

          You should be able to reach the set screws on the drive pulley to make sure they are tight without disassembling anything.

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            martin7404 @3DPrintingWorld
            last edited by martin7404 3 Apr 2021, 20:23 4 Mar 2021, 19:32

            @3DPrintingWorld these sre OK. I am thinking sbout the other 8 in x,y,u system

            Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
            Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
            Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
            custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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              fcwilt @3DPrintingWorld
              last edited by fcwilt 3 Apr 2021, 20:13 4 Mar 2021, 20:12

              @3DPrintingWorld said in Independently leveled Z axis Issue:

              @sinned6915 said in Independently leveled Z axis Issue:

              If you use a Z probe then the Z motors must be connected to the main board. This is planned to be fixed in release 3.4."

              Thanks for pointing this out, no one has motioned this so far. I have moved the Z motors to the wifi temporarily but didn't see a difference in leveling so I switched it back. I did not realize this was a issue, I will work on permanently moving X and Y to the Duex and Z to the WIFI.

              On my three Z stepper printer running 3.2.2 on a Duet 2 WiFi/Duex 5 combo, I have the Z steppers on the Duex 5 and the Z probe with auto bed leveling works fine.

              You saw the video and you can clearly see the bed leveling movement after the first pass of Z probing.

              Frederick

              Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                3DPrintingWorld @fcwilt
                last edited by 5 Mar 2021, 00:14

                @fcwilt I think we know it can work as it works on yours, mine for six months, and on other builders of the Muldex but according to this documentation its not supported so I would like to eliminate the chance that it could be causing the issue.

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                  3DPrintingWorld @martin7404
                  last edited by 5 Mar 2021, 00:16

                  @martin7404 Are you talkin about the shoulder bolts the idlers are on? I would think it would be less likely those are causing the issue but I guess you never know.

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                    fcwilt @3DPrintingWorld
                    last edited by fcwilt 3 May 2021, 01:19 5 Mar 2021, 01:17

                    @3DPrintingWorld said in Independently leveled Z axis Issue:

                    @fcwilt I think we know it can work as it works on yours, mine for six months, and on other builders of the Muldex but according to this documentation its not supported so I would like to eliminate the chance that it could be causing the issue.

                    That documentation was referring to Duet 3 hardware (6HC, 3HC, 1LC, 1XD) not Duet 2 hardware.

                    RepRapFirmware (as at version 3.3.1) for Duet 3 currently has the following limitations when tool boards or expansion boards are used.

                    Which is why I pointed out that I was running a Duet 2 WiFi/Duex 5 combo.

                    Frederick

                    Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                      3DPrintingWorld @fcwilt
                      last edited by 5 Mar 2021, 02:34

                      @fcwilt said in Independently leveled Z axis Issue:

                      RepRapFirmware (as at version 3.3.1) for Duet 3 currently has the following limitations when tool boards or expansion boards are used.

                      Its seems unclear to me if they are referring to Duet 3 hardware or Duet 3 firmware but they do say "tool boards" which are only Duet 3 so I think you might be right. I hope so, its kind of a lot of work to move things around.

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                        fcwilt @3DPrintingWorld
                        last edited by fcwilt 3 Aug 2021, 05:14 5 Mar 2021, 02:51

                        @3DPrintingWorld said in Independently leveled Z axis Issue:

                        @fcwilt said in Independently leveled Z axis Issue:

                        RepRapFirmware (as at version 3.3.1) for Duet 3 currently has the following limitations when tool boards or expansion boards are used.

                        Its seems unclear to me if they are referring to Duet 3 hardware or Duet 3 firmware but they do say "tool boards" which are only Duet 3 so I think you might be right. I hope so, its kind of a lot of work to move things around.

                        Look at it again:

                        RepRapFirmware (as at version 3.3.1) for Duet 3 currently has the following limitations when tool boards or expansion boards are used.

                        The firmware is referred to as RepRapFirmware for Duet 3 - Duet 3 is the name for the hardware line, not the firmware.

                        And the fact that it works on a Duex 5 is pretty convincing to me.

                        Also the way the Duet 2 communicates with the Duex 5 is totally different from the way the Duet 3 boards communicate with one another.

                        And when I discussed the Duex 5 endstop sensor problems on my printer when running 3.2.0 with @dc42 I think he would have mentioned that it wasn't supported. Instead he found and fixed the problem in a matter of days and released 3.2.2.

                        So I'm pretty sure we are good to go.

                        Frederick

                        Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                          martin7404 @3DPrintingWorld
                          last edited by 5 Mar 2021, 04:47

                          @3DPrintingWorld Oh, my bad reading too fast:) I checked this a few times yesterday.There is no loose pulley on the motors

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                            3DPrintingWorld @fcwilt
                            last edited by 5 Mar 2021, 13:10

                            @fcwilt said in Independently leveled Z axis Issue:

                            So I'm pretty sure we are good to go.

                            Sounds like we are! 😁

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                              martin7404
                              last edited by martin7404 3 May 2021, 16:32 5 Mar 2021, 15:12

                              So checked all the mechanics on the left side. Checked belt tension. Everything is great. Tried different speeds,acc and jerk, played with mottor currents, nothing. During print with X the parked U carriage moves back and forth on every change of direction of Y. I switched back to 3.0 and 3.11 same story. @3DPrintingWorld could you share your PRF 2 config , So I be able to verify that.
                              I started a print with Right extruder, same story the Left carriage moves during print.
                              I am starting to think it is a belt stretch(backlash)

                              Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                              Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
                              Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
                              custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                                3DPrintingWorld @martin7404
                                last edited by 6 Mar 2021, 20:22

                                @martin7404 I thru a indicator on the U-axis while the X-axis is printing and its crazy accurate while changing direction.

                                https://youtu.be/y0jeLvqbr_0

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                                  martin7404
                                  last edited by martin7404 3 Jul 2021, 17:18 7 Mar 2021, 17:17

                                  Wow.
                                  As far I see the same problem in X while U is printing.Decided to test withh 2 Y mottors attached to double ZA and ZB connectors on wifi. It seems my board have problem as far ZB mottor is not energised. So it is possible there is something in my Duet wifi board. For now I ordered new board and willtry to move x,y and u to duex and Z mottors to wifi while waiting

                                  Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                                  Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
                                  Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
                                  custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                                    Phaedrux Moderator @martin7404
                                    last edited by 7 Mar 2021, 22:13

                                    @martin7404 said in Independently leveled Z axis Issue:

                                    ZB mottor is not energised.

                                    What does the soldering on the connector look like?

                                    12v or 24v?

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                                      martin7404
                                      last edited by martin7404 3 Aug 2021, 00:05 7 Mar 2021, 22:15

                                      the ZA works
                                      This is the connector for the second Z motor to be connected in series .
                                      My VIN is 24 V
                                      To check soldering I have to unscrew the board, I will do it tommorow

                                      Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                                      Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
                                      Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
                                      custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                                        mrenz999
                                        last edited by 8 Mar 2021, 04:58

                                        I am having this same issue. It used to Level pretty close to perfect. Now it does the same as yours. It lifts the right, rear corner and lowers the left side of the bed. I have checked belt tensions, remeasured my z screw positions. Have had no success figuring it out.

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                                          3DPrintingWorld @mrenz999
                                          last edited by 8 Mar 2021, 13:57

                                          @mrenz999 Oh, I wonder if we have the same problem or if its just a coincidence. What printer do you have, or is it a custom build?

                                          Have you tired physically swapping two motors just to see if the results change?

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