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    • Phaedruxundefined
      Phaedrux Moderator @Stephen6309
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      @stephen6309 said in CoreXY: X is now Y, Y is now X:

      Current Firmware 3.3RC1 on 6HC w/Pi4 and 1LC.
      X is now going Y direction.
      Y is now going X direction.
      No hardware changes.
      Going back to 3.3beta3, no change.

      When exactly did you notice the change? After updating the firmware? And going back to previous firmware didn't change anything?

      I'm a bit confused about what might have changed.

      Does -x move to the left, +x move to the right?
      Does -y move to the front, =y move to the back?

      X endstop is still on the left side?
      Y endstop is on the front side?

      Can you post the results of M122 and M122 B1?
      Also the results of M98 P"config.g" please.

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      • Stephen6309undefined
        Stephen6309 @Phaedrux
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        @phaedrux X endstop is now front right (makes a mirror print on X)

        Y endstop is one left of axis the extruder is on.

        It was X endostop on left of extruder, Y was homing to the switch front on right side.

        Bed is 400x300. Was 400 on X, 300 on Y.
        Was going like X & Y on a cartesion like my other printer.

        Since then X & Y have swapped, X is now 300, Y is now 400.

        Also, updated 6HC to 3.3RC1+1.

        It occured when updating to 3.3RC1 via DWC, the apt-get wasn't updating to it, and I made a new config on the configurator, since I had the wrong config.json for the printer. Going back to the prior config.g didn't change it.

        DSC01673small.jpg

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        • Phaedruxundefined
          Phaedrux Moderator
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          Ok, so your motors are at the "rear" so 180 degree flip from "normal". I use quotes because it's all relative.

          @stephen6309 said in CoreXY: X is now Y, Y is now X:

          I made a new config on the configurator, since I had the wrong config.json for the printer. Going back to the prior config.g didn't change it.

          That makes very little sense. Regardless, we can fix it to make sense again.

          Let's start from the top with our absolutes.

          0,0 will be the front left corner of the print bed.
          -x will be left, +x will be right
          -y will be to the front, +y will be to the back
          X endstop is on the right side/high end (M574 X2)
          X homing move will be positive (G1 H1 X+500)
          Y endstop is at the front/low end (M574 Y1)
          Y homing move will be negative (G1 H1 Y-500)
          Your slicer might need to reflect this as well.

          Those facts do not change.

          Now with that set in stone, do the motor tests again. This will help you determine what needs to happen next. Either swap motor connectors, change direction of rotation, etc.

          https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/ConfiguringRepRapFirmwareCoreXYPrinter#Section_Testing_motor_movement

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          • o_lampeundefined
            o_lampe @Stephen6309
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            @stephen6309 said in CoreXY: X is now Y, Y is now X:

            Current Firmware 3.3RC1 on 6HC w/Pi4 and 1LC.

            Can you confirm that firmware changes (back and forth) were applied to both boards?

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            • Stephen6309undefined
              Stephen6309 @Phaedrux
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              @phaedrux said in CoreXY: X is now Y, Y is now X:

              On the config.json, it like to keep it current with the config.g. The json was for a different printer. So, I remade it by copying the currect config.g settings. Copied the new congi.g and json into system. It would be nice configurater needs to be able to make a config.json from the config.g file.

              0,0 will be the front left corner of the print bed.

              Yes it is.

              -x will be left, +x will be right
              -y will be to the front, +y will be to the back

              That's the way it used to work.

              +X currently goes back
              +Y currently goes to the right

              X endstop is on the right side/high end (M574 X2)

              X was on left/low side.

              X homing move will be positive (G1 H1 X+500)

              Homing X has always been -X

              Y endstop is at the front/low end (M574 Y1)

              was on the front/low side on the right.

              Y homing move will be negative (G1 H1 Y-500)
              Homing Y has always been -Y
              Bed moves up to home Z.

              Your slicer might need to reflect this as well.
              Priusa slicer has nothing to due with what the printer is currently doing.

              M569 P0.0 S1 for the correct direction
              M569 P0.1 S1

              G1 H2 X10 F3000: move the extruder diagonally back and left
              G1 H2 Y10 F3000: move extrueder diagonally to left and back

              My homeall.g was posted above. Works fine if I swap the X/Y endstop config. Otherwise, the endstops never trigger, since it's mi=oving the wrong axis.

              My endstops used to configured:
              M574 X1 S1 P"121.io1.in"
              M574 Y1 S1 P"io2.in"
              They worked as expected.

              FIRMWARE_NAME: RepRapFirmware for Duet 3 MB6HC FIRMWARE_VERSION: 3.3RC1+1 ELECTRONICS: Duet 3 MB6HC v1.01 or later FIRMWARE_DATE: 2021-05-01 21:43:52

              Duet TOOL1LC firmware version 3.3RC1 (2021-04-29 10:21:18)

              The config.g is what is current. The way the printer moves, the the front/back axis, now X, is mirrored.
              Home X, it now moves to the front. It was to the left.
              Home Y, it now moves to the left. It was to the front.

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              • Phaedruxundefined
                Phaedrux Moderator
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                Have you moved the endstops from where they were originally? If you've changed things to accommodate the problem we're not actually solving the problem.

                It doesn't really matter where the endstops are located as long as we're able to tell the firmware where they are and instruct it to move to hit those endstops.

                Let's start from the top with our absolutes.

                0,0 will be the front left corner of the print bed.
                -x will be left, +x will be right
                -y will be to the front, +y will be to the back
                X endstop is on the right side/high end (M574 X2)
                X homing move will be positive (G1 H1 X+500)
                Y endstop is at the front/low end (M574 Y1)
                Y homing move will be negative (G1 H1 Y-500)
                Your slicer might need to reflect this as well.

                Those facts do not change.

                This is how it should be and how it will be because we say so. If it's not currently doing that does not matter, we will make the changes needed to make it so.

                So either move the endstops back how they originally were or leave them where they are, either way just let me know.

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                • Phaedruxundefined
                  Phaedrux Moderator
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                  Part of the confusion may also be resulting from the 180 degree rotation with the motors in the rear. That would mean the expected movement from the tests would be inverted as well. Do you get what I mean?

                  simple_belts_corexy_annotated.jpg

                  The motors here are in the rear, as they are in your machine. This would be 180 degree rotation from the "normal" corexy where the motors are in the front side. This just means that the direction of X and Y are inverted from the expectation, placing 0,0 in the back right corner. The back right is the same as the front left, just rotated half way round. Does that make sense?

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                  • Stephen6309undefined
                    Stephen6309 @Phaedrux
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                    @phaedrux Since I built it with the original Duet Wifi and changed to a Duet 3 6HC, X0 Y0 was in the front left corner. X move left/right, Y moved front/back.

                    Now it doesn't, it swapped X and Y.

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                    • Phaedruxundefined
                      Phaedrux Moderator
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                      Yes, I understand.

                      Where are you endstops located now?

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                      • Stephen6309undefined
                        Stephen6309 @Phaedrux
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                        @phaedrux The tests are viewed from the front, where the M M is on your graphic and where the PanelDue is mounted.

                        One endstop is on the left of the extruder carraige, was the X. It's mount on purple petg to the left of the wirechain bracket in the photo. The other one the front of the right carriage wheel plate of the extruder axis, was the Y. It's mounted on red pla in the photo.

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                        • Stephen6309undefined
                          Stephen6309 @Phaedrux
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                          @phaedrux Just ran a test print with lettering. I was only expect one reverse axis, but both are reversed. Looks like X0 Y0 needs to change.

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                          • Phaedruxundefined
                            Phaedrux Moderator
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                            Ok, so if the X endstop is on the left it's at the low end. So M574 X1 and the homing moves should move in the negative direction.

                            If Y is triggering when the print head is towards the front, then it's at the low end. M574 Y1 and the homing moves should be negative direction.

                            Now based on the tests here: https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/ConfiguringRepRapFirmwareCoreXYPrinter#Section_Testing_motor_movement

                            Start with

                            M569 P0 S0 ; X motor runs forwards
                            M569 P1 S0 ; Y motor runs forwards

                            Then send
                            G91
                            G1 H2 X10 F3000

                            And
                            G91
                            G1 H2 Y10 F3000

                            What do you get?

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                            • Stephen6309undefined
                              Stephen6309 @Phaedrux
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                              @phaedrux said in CoreXY: X is now Y, Y is now X:

                              M569 P0 S0 ; X motor runs forwards
                              M569 P1 S0 ; Y motor runs forwards
                              G91

                              G1 H2 X10 F3000

                              Move diagonally towards left front corner

                              G1 H2 Y10 F3000

                              Move diagonally toward front right coner.

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                              • Phaedruxundefined
                                Phaedrux Moderator @Stephen6309
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                                @stephen6309 said in CoreXY: X is now Y, Y is now X:

                                G1 H2 X10 F3000

                                Move diagonally towards left front corner

                                Ok so..

                                If it moves in the -X and -Y directions, change the S parameter to S1 in the M569 P0 command.

                                @stephen6309 said in CoreXY: X is now Y, Y is now X:

                                G1 H2 Y10 F3000

                                Move diagonally toward front right coner.

                                Ok so...

                                If the head moves diagonally in the +X and -Y directions, all is well.

                                Ok, so change to M569 P0 S1 and retest.

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                                • Stephen6309undefined
                                  Stephen6309 @Phaedrux
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                                  @phaedrux said in CoreXY: X is now Y, Y is now X:

                                  @stephen6309 said in CoreXY: X is now Y, Y is now X:
                                  Already configured for S1 for 0 and 1.

                                  G1 H2 X10 F3000

                                  Moves diagonally to right and rear.

                                  G1 H2 Y10 F3000

                                  Moves diagonally to left and rear.

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                                  • Phaedruxundefined
                                    Phaedrux Moderator @Stephen6309
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                                    @stephen6309 said in CoreXY: X is now Y, Y is now X:

                                    G1 H2 X10 F3000

                                    Moves diagonally to right and rear.

                                    If the head moves diagonally in the +X and +Y directions, all is well.

                                    @stephen6309 said in CoreXY: X is now Y, Y is now X:

                                    G1 H2 Y10 F3000

                                    Moves diagonally to left and rear.

                                    If it moves in the -X and +Y directions, change the S parameter in the M569 P1 command to S1.

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                                    • Stephen6309undefined
                                      Stephen6309 @Phaedrux
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                                      @phaedrux
                                      M569 P0.0 S1 ; physical drive 0.0
                                      M569 P0.1 S0 ; physical drive 0.1

                                      Fixed it. Set the enstops back to normal. As I recall, my first setup on Duet Wifi took a several days.

                                      One of these days, I'll understand this thing better.

                                      Current config, and fixed a few other things:

                                      ; Configuration file for Duet 3 (firmware version 3)
                                      ; executed by the firmware on start-up
                                      ;
                                      ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.2.3 on Tue May 04 2021 13:19:51 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
                                      
                                      ; General preferences
                                      G90                                                       ; send absolute coordinates...
                                      M83                                                       ; ...but relative extruder moves
                                      M550 P"CXY-MSv1"                                          ; set printer name
                                      M669 K1                                                   ; select CoreXY mode
                                      
                                      ; Network
                                      M552 P0.0.0.0 S1                                          ; enable network and acquire dynamic address via DHCP
                                      M586 P0 S1                                                ; enable HTTP
                                      M586 P1 S0                                                ; disable FTP
                                      M586 P2 S0                                                ; disable Telnet
                                      
                                      ; Drives
                                      M569 P0.0 S1                                              ; physical drive 0.0
                                      M569 P0.1 S0                                              ; physical drive 0.1
                                      M569 P0.2 S1                                              ; physical drive 0.2 goes forwards
                                      M569 P121.0 S1                                            ; physical drive 121.0 goes forwards
                                      M584 X0.0 Y0.1 Z0.2 E121.0                                ; set drive mapping
                                      M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1                                   ; configure microstepping with interpolation
                                      M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z800.00 E420.00                         ; set steps per mm
                                      M566 X600.00 Y600.00 Z30.00 E600.00                       ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                                      M203 X15000.00 Y15000.00 Z180.00 E1200.00                 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                                      M201 X4000.00 Y4000.00 Z50.00 E250.00                     ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                                      M906 X800 Y800 Z800 E800 I30                              ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
                                      M84 S30                                                   ; Set idle timeout
                                      
                                      ; Axis Limits
                                      M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1                                          ; set axis minima
                                      M208 X300 Y400 Z200 S0                                    ; set axis maxima
                                      
                                      ; Endstops
                                      M574 X1 S1 P"121.io1.in"                                      ; configure active-high endstop for low end on X via pin io2.in
                                      M574 Y1 S1 P"io2.in"                                  ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Y via pin 121.io1.in
                                      M574 Z1 S2                                                ; configure Z-probe endstop for low end on Z
                                      
                                      ; Z-Probe
                                      M950 S0 C"121.io0.out"                                    ; create servo pin 0 for BLTouch
                                      M558 P9 C"^121.io0.in" H5 F120 T6000                      ; set Z probe type to bltouch and the dive height + speeds
                                      G31 P500 X0 Y-60 Z0                                       ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
                                      M557 X5:300 Y5:400 S40                                    ; define mesh grid
                                      
                                      ; Heaters
                                      M308 S0 P"temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4092              ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin temp0
                                      M950 H0 C"out0" T0                                        ; create bed heater output on out0 and map it to sensor 0
                                      M307 H0 B0 S1.00                                          ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
                                      M140 H0                                                   ; map heated bed to heater 0
                                      M143 H0 S120                                              ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
                                      M308 S1 P"121.temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin 121.temp0
                                      M950 H1 C"121.out0" T1                                    ; create nozzle heater output on 121.out0 and map it to sensor 1
                                      M307 H1 B0 S1.00                                          ; disable bang-bang mode for heater  and set PWM limit
                                      M143 H1 S300                                              ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 300C
                                      
                                      ; Fans
                                      M950 F0 C"out4" Q500                                      ; create fan 0 on pin out4 and set its frequency
                                      M106 P0 S0 H-1                                            ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
                                      M950 F1 C"121.out1" Q500                                  ; create fan 1 on pin 121.out1 and set its frequency
                                      M106 P1 S1 H1 T45                                         ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on
                                      
                                      ; Tools
                                      M563 P0 D0 H1 F0                                          ; define tool 0
                                      G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0                                           ; set tool 0 axis offsets
                                      G10 P0 R0 S0                                              ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
                                      
                                      ; Custom settings
                                      M376 H5                                                   ; taper bed compensation
                                      M572 D0 S0.05                                             ; pressure advance
                                      M207 S1.5 F6000	R0 Z0.03                                  ; firmware retraction
                                      M143 H1 S300                                              ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 300C
                                      ;M566 P1                                                  ; Jerk policy,  1 allows jerk to be applied between any pair of moves.
                                      M912 P0 S-9											                                    ; set mcu temp offset
                                      G10 P0 S0 R0                                              ; set T0 heater off
                                      M150 B0 U0 R0 P128 S10 F0                                 ; all neopixels off
                                      M912 P0 S4											                                     ; calibrate MPU temp
                                      
                                      
                                      ; Miscellaneous
                                      M575 P1 S1 B57600                                         ; enable support for PanelDue
                                      M501                                                      ; load saved parameters from non-volatile memory
                                      M911 S23 R24 P"M913 X0 Y0 G91 M83 G1 Z3 E-5 F1000"        ; set voltage thresholds and actions to run on power loss
                                      T0                                                        ; select first tool
                                      
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                                      • Phaedruxundefined
                                        Phaedrux Moderator
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                                        So everything is back to normal now?

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                                        • Stephen6309undefined
                                          Stephen6309 @Phaedrux
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                                          @phaedrux Yes, it working normally. X is X and Y is Y.

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