Y axis Problems

Modest Orange

@mrehorstdmd There is some deflection at the nozzle when I press on the extruder body/nozzle. However it take a little more force that you would think. I believe the rig itself is appropriately rigid for the weight, I think. I would assume if there was enough play to initiate this problem, it would also show at the 12 o'clock position as well.

I'm traveling this weekend but will try attaching a marker to the printer, with the extruder body removed, and see if the lines it creates also show this problem.

Modest Orange

@mrehorstdmd

20211002_093145_Trim(1).mp4

The video shows the motor turning "incorrectly" at the 6 o'clock position but not at 12. This occurs with both Y motors.

mrehorstdmd

@modest-orange can you post some pictures of the printer that show the whole thing, not just closeups?

Modest Orange

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Modest Orange

Been doing some more testing with tool offsets and bed size when I came across this instance.

The error is dependent on which direction the tool is moving. I had swapped the direction of every other circle in this print, clockwise and counter-clockwise. Earlier I referred to the error occurring at the 12 o'clock position because it was easier to refer to. While the printer moves counter-clockwise the error actually occurs closer to 11 o'clock Moving clockwise the error occurs closer to 1 o'clock.

This makes me think it has something to do with the motors and how power is being sent to them. Possibly. I may try to reroute the motors to different drivers and see how it does then.

Pakue

@modest-orange have you tried adjusting the V roller tension/play? I have seen similar problems on an openbuild cnc due to the spindle tilting under load at the X axis roller. The long lever of the Z axis probably increases the effect.

JoergS5

@modest-orange said in Y axis Problems:

Any ideas or theories will be helpful and welcome.

A crazy idea from my side is that the energy chains are producing resistance at some point (joint bulky, cable length too short) and the movement jumps.

Modest Orange

@pakue There was some play on the Z axis that I resolved by tightening up the tension of the rollers. I however don't believe this to be the problem as when the printer is not under any tension the motors will still move with the stutter. I'll try removing the belt and see if they still stutter under zero load.

@JoergS5 This could be possible. However I don't know exactly how to rectify that. Today I release all the cables from the cable chains and held them loosely separated during a print to now effect. As far as cables being too short I am currently using 7 foot cables on everything. Both Y motors have some extra wire that is bundled near the board normally.

I also woke up this morning thinking the cable chain was bumping but confirmed that to not be the case.

Thank you for all your suggestions and input!

Modest Orange

SOLVED
I took the belt off of the Y motors to check to see what happens under no load. The 4 set screws for the Y motor gears were all loose. The error was caused by play in the belt gear (timing pully). After adding some locktite and assembling everything back together, I am printing circles again and any other shape without issues.

Thank you for everyone who took the time to help me solve this one!

T3P3Tony

@modest-orange thanks for letting us know what it was.