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    • alankilianundefined
      alankilian @charlesmc
      last edited by

      @charlesmc Awesome!

      Let us know how you do.
      I had to disable mine because I just couldn't get it to not false-trigger and stop prints.

      SeemeCNC Rostock Max V3 converted to V3.2 with a Duet2 Ethernet Firmware 3.2 and SE300

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      • charlesmcundefined
        charlesmc
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        Ugghh. Yesterday I did two five hour prints with no problem.

        This morning, I kicked off a 13 hour print and I just found it 12 hours later where it had printed the first layer and then paused the print for "too little movement on the extruder".

        M591 D0 output is as follows

        Duet3D rotating magnet filament monitor v3 on pin io2.in, enabled, sensitivity 25.74mm/rev, allow 70% to 130%, check every 3.0mm, version 3, mag 132 agc 91, measured sensitivity 26.25mm/rev, min 45% max 106% over 244.6mm

        I just opened up the allowable range to 20% to 150% to try to give it a wider tolerance.

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        • charlesmcundefined
          charlesmc
          last edited by charlesmc

          I had a successful 13 hour print yesterday. I kicked off a new 9 hour print and the printer kept pausing due to "too little movement on extruder".

          This seems to be in line with alankilian's comment above that he had to disable his because he couldn't stop false positives.

          Note that there was a pause generated by the filament sensor just before the 6:31AM M591 D0 call.

          Any suggestions on how to correct this?

          I'd like the magnetic filament sensor to just say...I've stopped rotating completely...must be out of filament so put the system into pause.

          Is the sensor not taking into account retraction and rewards movement of the filament?

          535.jpg

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          • wouldstainundefined
            wouldstain
            last edited by wouldstain

            Having same problem.
            Data point: I'm experiencing this much more frequently with PLA than with PETG.

            With PLA it generally occurs multiple times in a single print, with PETG, maybe once or twice.

            Sensor settings:
            M591 P3 C"e0_stop" S1 D0 L26.5 R50:130

            Duet3D rotating magnet filament monitor v3 on pin e0stop, enabled, sensitivity 26.50mm/rev, allow 50% to 130%, check every 3.0mm, version 3, mag 132 agc 76, measured sensitivity 26.16mm/rev, min 93% max 106% over 4061.3mm

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            • T3P3Tonyundefined
              T3P3Tony administrators @wouldstain
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              @wouldstain please send a M591 D0 after the pause.

              @charlesmc the sensor does take into account retraction. It looks like the pause was generated because your minimum dropped to 17% (which is below the minimum you have set). The question is why its below the minimum. It could be because there are lots of short movements and retractions in the print, it could be because your extruder is slipping slightly (maybe on very fast moves (i.e. the sensor is doing its job) or something i have not thought of. It would be helpful to have as short a bit of gcode as possible that recreates this drop to 17% or as close to 17% as possible.

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              • wouldstainundefined
                wouldstain @T3P3Tony
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                @t3p3tony

                First PLA print in a few days. It's a fairly short one but it only paused 2x.

                Pauses below are from the same print.

                First Pause

                Duet3D rotating magnet filament monitor v3 on pin e0stop, enabled, sensitivity 26.50mm/rev, allow 50% to 130%, check every 3.0mm, version 3, mag 130 agc 75, measured sensitivity 25.63mm/rev, min 32% max 105% over 2072.3mm

                Second Pause:

                Duet3D rotating magnet filament monitor v3 on pin e0stop, enabled, sensitivity 26.50mm/rev, allow 50% to 130%, check every 3.0mm, version 3, mag 129 agc 75, measured sensitivity 26.07mm/rev, min 28% max 107% over 178.4mm

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                • T3P3Tonyundefined
                  T3P3Tony administrators @wouldstain
                  last edited by

                  @wouldstain so a window of 20% to 130% looks like it work be a good start for your settings.

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                  • wouldstainundefined
                    wouldstain @T3P3Tony
                    last edited by

                    @t3p3tony Adjusted it this morning as suggested.

                    Print paused at 6%:

                    M591 D0
                    Duet3D rotating magnet filament monitor v3 on pin e0stop, enabled, sensitivity 26.50mm/rev, allow 20% to 130%, check every 3.0mm, version 3, mag 130 agc 75, measured sensitivity 25.55mm/rev, min 5% max 104% over 769.7mm

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                    • wouldstainundefined
                      wouldstain @wouldstain
                      last edited by wouldstain

                      @T3P3Tony

                      Again at 60%:

                      M591 D0
                      Duet3D rotating magnet filament monitor v3 on pin e0stop, enabled, sensitivity 26.50mm/rev, allow 20% to 130%, check every 3.0mm, version 3, mag 130 agc 75, measured sensitivity 25.59mm/rev, min -9% max 109% over 2162.1mm

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                      • wouldstainundefined
                        wouldstain @T3P3Tony
                        last edited by

                        @t3p3tony
                        ... and one more time tonight on a different print job:

                        Duet3D rotating magnet filament monitor v3 on pin e0stop, enabled, sensitivity 26.50mm/rev, allow 20% to 130%, check every 3.0mm, version 3, mag 130 agc 75, measured sensitivity 26.27mm/rev, min 96% max 135% over 6625.2mm

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                        • A Former User?
                          A Former User @T3P3Tony
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                          @t3p3tony said in Rotating Magnetic Sensor - Keeps Pausing Printer:

                          @wouldstain please send a M591 D0 after the pause.

                          @charlesmc the sensor does take into account retraction. It looks like the pause was generated because your minimum dropped to 17% (which is below the minimum you have set). The question is why its below the minimum. It could be because there are lots of short movements and retractions in the print, it could be because your extruder is slipping slightly (maybe on very fast moves (i.e. the sensor is doing its job) or something i have not thought of. It would be helpful to have as short a bit of gcode as possible that recreates this drop to 17% or as close to 17% as possible.

                          I have the same issue, EVERY print I lunch, ALWAYS in the first layer after made the initial perimeters and after 3 lines of the bottom infill the sensor pauses the print because the minum drop to 14%..this happens ALWAYS at the first layer after have printed the perimeters...later on the print the sensor seems to work

                          This is an example GCODE:Very Fast Test Print__PETG Amazon Basic_0.2000mm.gcode

                          Let me know

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                          • T3P3Tonyundefined
                            T3P3Tony administrators @wouldstain
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                            @wouldstain said in Rotating Magnetic Sensor - Keeps Pausing Printer:

                            min -9% max 109% over 2162.1mm

                            can you send me the print file that causes this. also please post a pic of how you have the MFM attached to the extruder

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                            • T3P3Tonyundefined
                              T3P3Tony administrators @A Former User
                              last edited by

                              @thedragonlord thanks for the example print file

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                              • A Former User?
                                A Former User @T3P3Tony
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                                @t3p3tony said in Rotating Magnetic Sensor - Keeps Pausing Printer:

                                @thedragonlord thanks for the example print file

                                you're welcome! I hope it could be helpful

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                                • T3P3Tonyundefined
                                  T3P3Tony administrators @A Former User
                                  last edited by

                                  @thedragonlord could you also post a pic of how you have this mounted please.

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                                  • A Former User?
                                    A Former User @T3P3Tony
                                    last edited by A Former User

                                    @t3p3tony said in Rotating Magnetic Sensor - Keeps Pausing Printer:

                                    @thedragonlord could you also post a pic of how you have this mounted please.

                                    uh now I'm at office so I can't do this, I'll do later now I try to explain: I've mounted the sensor BEFORE the BMG extruders, there's almost no space between the sensor housing "exit" and the BMG "entry" (of course they are attached with a PTF small tube)...any case this evening I'll post a photo if the description isn't enough

                                    EDIT
                                    this is a picture I've just taken with my infrared IPcam...as you can see above the BMG there's the sensor housing, is this enoguh?
                                    DragonCore IPCam_20211012140053_Snapshot.jpg

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                                    • T3P3Tonyundefined
                                      T3P3Tony administrators @A Former User
                                      last edited by

                                      @thedragonlord yes thanks

                                      www.duet3d.com

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                                      • wouldstainundefined
                                        wouldstain @T3P3Tony
                                        last edited by

                                        @t3p3tony MFM.jpg

                                        MegaBot_Sitting_Body_Upper.gcode

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                                        • A Former User?
                                          A Former User @wouldstain
                                          last edited by

                                          @wouldstain said in Rotating Magnetic Sensor - Keeps Pausing Printer:

                                          @t3p3tony MFM.jpg

                                          MegaBot_Sitting_Body_Upper.gcode

                                          Same configuration than mine

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                                          • T3P3Tonyundefined
                                            T3P3Tony administrators @A Former User
                                            last edited by

                                            @thedragonlord @wouldstain thanks the mounting arrangements look good. I hope be be able to investigate this with the gcode you uploaded here later in the week.

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