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    • deckingmanundefined
      deckingman
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      Ah OK. And it could cope with me doing the crazy things I do like varying the mixing ratio on every layer? And a mixing ratio that might be as low as 1% for a particular extruder?

      I use end stop switches for the X and Y. The Z homing is a switch but uses the Z probe connector because of its in built LED. Another end stop is connected to switches that are wired in series to the axes maxima and another is connected to an emergency stop button. I guess I could move all these to the Duex5, thus freeing them up on the Duet for the filament sensors? If I read correctly I can't use the end stops on the Duex5 for filament sensors.

      Ian
      https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
      https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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      • dc42undefined
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        Currently you can't shift the endstops for the axes. But you can connect a filament sensor to your unused Z endstop input.

        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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        • dc42undefined
          dc42 administrators
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          Currently you can't shift the endstops for the axes. But you can connect a filament sensor to your unused Z endstop input.

          Varying mixing ratios and using small mixing proportions shouldn't stop the sensor working.

          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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          • deckingmanundefined
            deckingman
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            OK. As I said before, it's not something that particularly interests me at this time, and the big deal would be trying to get another 15 wires through my cable chain which already carries the wires for the 5 extruder motors as well as all the hot end gubbins, fans, end stop switches, lights etc. Good to know that it's possibly doable though.

            Ian
            https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
            https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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            • mhackneyundefined
              mhackney
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              @David - re CA for teflon, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6mU4excEE8. Turn your audio off though, it is annoying.

              My 3D Printing blog: http://www.sublimelayers.com
              Coming this summer: "3D Printing Strategies - the art of perfecting your designs and prints"

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              • dc42undefined
                dc42 administrators
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                I printed a small piece to lock in to the groove in the brass Bowden termination:

                That allowed me to cable-tie it more securely to the filament monitor block:

                EDIT: changed photo to a better one

                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                • RGN01undefined
                  RGN01
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                  I'm building my first Delta printer and am very keen to add filament monitoring so have been following this thread with great interest. I've looked all over for the separate thread about becoming a beta tester but can't find it - are there still boards available and, if so, how do I get involved, please?

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                  • fmaundefined
                    fma
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                    Why does the sensor only work on the Duet, not the Duex? Is it because you re-configure inputs as analog, which is not possible on Duex?

                    Frédéric

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                    • dc42undefined
                      dc42 administrators
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                      It's because the pins on the DueX have too much latency, because they are read via a I2C I/O expander.

                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                      • fmaundefined
                        fma
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                        I see.

                        Frédéric

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                        • AS-3D Druckundefined
                          AS-3D Druck
                          last edited by

                          Looks great. 🙂
                          But a Filament Diameter Sensor for 1.75mm and 2.85mm/3mm would be awesome. 😉

                          I know this type of Sensor is (i belive) easyer to get in to everything. 🙂

                          Best regards
                          AS-3D Druck / Andre

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                          • DjDemonDundefined
                            DjDemonD
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                            I cannot see why this sensor can't-do 3mm, surely its just a case of reorientating the idler so that it sits on the other side of the elastic cam pieces supporting it, so there is enough space for 3mm filament to be inserted.

                            Simon. Precision Piezo Z-Probe Technology
                            www.precisionpiezo.co.uk
                            PT1000 cartridge sensors NOW IN, just attach to your Duet board directly!

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                            • T3P3Tonyundefined
                              T3P3Tony administrators
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                              @DjDemonD:

                              I cannot see why this sensor can't-do 3mm, surely its just a case of reorientating the idler so that it sits on the other side of the elastic cam pieces supporting it, so there is enough space for 3mm filament to be inserted.

                              Yes I have tested the current enclosure with 3mm as well as 1.75mm filament. the elastic springs can be rotated so there is a larger gap.

                              A filament diameter sensor is a whole different issue though. Just thinking about the elasticity in the system and the delay makes my head hurt.

                              www.duet3d.com

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                              • DjDemonDundefined
                                DjDemonD
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                                It's a hard nut to crack, but a genuinely auto-calibrating extruder would give even the Prusa team pause for thought.

                                Simon. Precision Piezo Z-Probe Technology
                                www.precisionpiezo.co.uk
                                PT1000 cartridge sensors NOW IN, just attach to your Duet board directly!

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                                • sungod3kundefined
                                  sungod3k
                                  last edited by

                                  Is this only intended for run out and stall detection or could I monitor the actual vs commanded extrusion ratio.

                                  Im printing often at the upper limits of what the extruder is willing to push through, so a tool that could confirm and compensate this:
                                  http://www.extrudable.me/2013/04/18/exploring-extrusion-variability-and-limits/ would be great.

                                  http://www.42dimensions.de/
                                  https://printnewworlds.blogspot.com/

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                                  • T3P3Tonyundefined
                                    T3P3Tony administrators
                                    last edited by

                                    The firmware detects the difference between the commanded extrusion and the amount filament moves (taking into account retraction) any then raises an error and pauses the print if that difference grows out of tolerance.

                                    www.duet3d.com

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                                    • dc42undefined
                                      dc42 administrators
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                                      @DjDemonD:

                                      It's a hard nut to crack, but a genuinely auto-calibrating extruder would give even the Prusa team pause for thought.

                                      You would need to calibrate the filament monitor first, so it's chicken and egg. Unless the filament monitor was so accurately made that it needed no calibration.

                                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                                      • DjDemonDundefined
                                        DjDemonD
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                                        I agree that the duet filament monitor it isn't going to be the route to achieving this but the general idea of an extruder which always extrudes the right amount of material is definitely a concept worth trying to realise. Otherwise, consumer 3d printers will have to use filament in cartridges, which has a factory determined tolerance for width, roundness etc…

                                        Simon. Precision Piezo Z-Probe Technology
                                        www.precisionpiezo.co.uk
                                        PT1000 cartridge sensors NOW IN, just attach to your Duet board directly!

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                                        • T3P3Tonyundefined
                                          T3P3Tony administrators
                                          last edited by

                                          Good quality filament already has that.

                                          www.duet3d.com

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                                          • Biggsisundefined
                                            Biggsis
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                                            Hi,

                                            is the magnet filament sensor still in beta testing? If so, is it possible to still participate? If not, then how to purchase the filament monitor? Since I have the "filament stuck" problem with a bunch of our printers, I would be very much interested in testing or using it. Thanks.

                                            Hypercube Evolution User Group : https://www.facebook.com/groups/Hypercubeevolution/
                                            Kossel Delta XL / XXL User Group : [https://www.facebook.com/groups/KosselXXL/]

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