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    • zaptaundefined
      zapta @gnydick
      last edited by

      The ringing on the right side (the much larger printer) is very visible. Did you try to input shaping it?

      I am also not sure if RRF's input shaping is as mature yet as Klipper's. I think it's still in beta (?).

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      • gnydickundefined
        gnydick
        last edited by

        I don't have input shaping on, never have. I've watched the printer in telephoto slow motion and I'm 99% sure there is no wobble, whipping, or other movement. I think it's really the extruder.

        But I will definitely check these other things.

        Re: input shaping: what am I to do, it's not like the X and Y have the same frequency, so, which do I pick?

        I also don't have any input shaping enabled on the voron.

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        • zaptaundefined
          zapta @gnydick
          last edited by

          @gnydick said in What's my problem?:

          I don't have input shaping on

          Also no input shaping on your Voron V0.1? I assumed you do.

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          • gnydickundefined
            gnydick @zapta
            last edited by

            @zapta nope, I don't have accelerometers, so I can't configure it.

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            • oliofundefined
              oliof
              last edited by oliof

              two remarks:

              • you can print the ringing tower and measure the ripple frequency to tune input shaping. Works both for klipper and RepRapFirmware.

              • a friend of mine figured some vibrations on their railcore at certain speeds and has to print slower or faster for those to go away. so they either print at 25mm/sec max or at 120mm/sec min. Might be worth investigating.

              <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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              • oliofundefined
                oliof
                last edited by

                as to picking x or y: the vibrations for X and Y should be similar on a corexy setup -- differences point toward uneven tension in the belt system. If the difference isn't too big you will be able to pick either peak frequency and at worst will have to choose an Input Shaping algorithm with a damping factor.

                <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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                • zaptaundefined
                  zapta @gnydick
                  last edited by

                  @gnydick, it's possible that the V0 just has a more stiff and accurate movement system, because of its smaller size.

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                  • Phaedruxundefined
                    Phaedrux Moderator
                    last edited by

                    Don't take this as me telling you to get help elsewhere, as that's not the case, but there is a Railcore discord server. Perhaps asking at the source might be useful. Maybe it's a common problem or someone has seen it already.

                    https://discord.gg/Sy569Hq

                    Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                    • gnydickundefined
                      gnydick @oliof
                      last edited by

                      @oliof Thanks for the info. Yeah, I've noticed that too, but never took the time to find the thresholds.

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                      • gnydickundefined
                        gnydick @oliof
                        last edited by

                        @oliof Thanks for the help. Are there any simple ways to determine which algorithm and settings?

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                        • gnydickundefined
                          gnydick @Phaedrux
                          last edited by

                          @phaedrux Not at all, thank you. I've been there. Totally forgot about it

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                          • gnydickundefined
                            gnydick
                            last edited by

                            I did some investigation and so far have found that I have some temperamental linear rail blocks. I built an entirely new kinematics that is wider to sit on top of the existing frame and hold the e3d tool changer setup.

                            I had to buy new longer rails and it turns out that if the screws used to mount into the block are even a hair too long, the blocks actually bind on the rail.

                            The screws don't even impinge directly on the rail, so it must be deforming something inside the block.

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                            • oliofundefined
                              oliof @gnydick
                              last edited by

                              @gnydick I printed the ringing tower again cycling through the algorithms every 5mm and decided based on that. For the bed slinger I did this on, mvz came out front.

                              <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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                              • rjenkinsgbundefined
                                rjenkinsgb @gnydick
                                last edited by

                                Again: Check the belts.
                                "Tune" them, so the equal length long runs give the same note when you pluck them.

                                The long runs on my CoreXY machine (520mm) ring at near the same pitch as the next to lowest string on a bass guitar, around 55Hz.

                                If they are significantly lower than that for a similar length, or very unequal, it will cause print accuracy problems.

                                I don't use input shaping, just very low pressure advance.

                                Robert J.

                                Printers: Overlord pro, Kossel XL+ with Duet 6HC and "Frankentron", TronXY X5SA Pro converted to E3D toolchange with Duet 6HC and 1LC toolboards.

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                                • gnydickundefined
                                  gnydick
                                  last edited by

                                  Thanks for the input, all. My belt path is quite long and it really needed tensioning. It wasn't tight enough to even resonate. That made a marked improvement.

                                  I've done a bit more fiddling and things are a lot better now. The print head is heavy and the cross beam is just the mgn rail which twists quite easily, so I think I'm at the envelope of what I can expect without input shaping.

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