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    • fmaundefined
      fma
      last edited by

      I don't remember if these links have been posted on this forum. In case, you may find them usefull to calibrate retract with Bowden config:

      https://airtripper.com/1320/airtripper-extruder-filament-force-sensor-announcement
      https://airtripper.com/1338/airtripper-extruder-filament-force-sensor-introduction
      https://airtripper.com/1473/airtripper-extruder-filament-force-sensor-design-3d-print
      https://airtripper.com/1397/electronic-kitchen-scales-teardown-versus-load-cells
      https://airtripper.com/1626/arduino-load-cell-circuit-sketch-for-calibration-test

      I will soon order this load cell:

      http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Electronic-Balance-Weighing-Load-Cell-Sensor-5Kg-with-HX711-Module-/162241279056

      Frédéric

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      • KeeganBundefined
        KeeganB
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        If you need/want more than a meter of it, you can find it cheaper directly from Capricorn. They have a few bundle options too that come with a cutter and stickers.

        I JUST bought some generic PTFE off of Amazon Prime. While it seems to have made a nice improvement over my worn out tube, I kinda wish I had remembered about this Capricorn stuff.

        Artemis
        Rostock Max v2
        Orion

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        • DADIYundefined
          DADIY
          last edited by

          @KeeganB:

          If you need/want more than a meter of it, you can find it cheaper directly from Capricorn. They have a few bundle options too that come with a cutter and stickers.

          I JUST bought some generic PTFE off of Amazon Prime. While it seems to have made a nice improvement over my worn out tube, I kinda wish I had remembered about this Capricorn stuff.

          I just ordered some direct from Capricorn, but based on the live Q&A Tom did with E3D they are about to become a UK reseller for it.

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          • KeeganBundefined
            KeeganB
            last edited by

            I just ordered 2 meters of the XS (the dark blue 1.9 or 1.8 ID) Capricorn tubing. I will try to report back once I receive and install it.

            Artemis
            Rostock Max v2
            Orion

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            • Shenundefined
              Shen
              last edited by

              I've got both the XS and TL series. The supposedly smaller inner diameter of the XS series is actually slightly larger than the TL series, but I'm sure it's just a batch issue. Both the XS and TL tubing does have very high quality. Maybe because of my old PTFE tubing already has a small inner diameter, the optimal pressure advance value for me only lowered to 0.5 from 0.6.

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              • dc42undefined
                dc42 administrators
                last edited by

                @Shen:

                I've got both the XS and TL series. The supposedly smaller inner diameter of the XS series is actually slightly larger than the TL series, but I'm sure it's just a batch issue. Both the XS and TL tubing does have very high quality. Maybe because of my old PTFE tubing already has a small inner diameter, the optimal pressure advance value for me only lowered to 0.5 from 0.6.

                What sort of hot end do you have, and how long is the Bowden tube? It's unusual to need as much pressure advance as 0.5 or 0.6 except when using mixing extruders.

                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                • Shenundefined
                  Shen
                  last edited by

                  @dc42:

                  @Shen:

                  I've got both the XS and TL series. The supposedly smaller inner diameter of the XS series is actually slightly larger than the TL series, but I'm sure it's just a batch issue. Both the XS and TL tubing does have very high quality. Maybe because of my old PTFE tubing already has a small inner diameter, the optimal pressure advance value for me only lowered to 0.5 from 0.6.

                  What sort of hot end do you have, and how long is the Bowden tube? It's unusual to need as much pressure advance as 0.5 or 0.6 except when using mixing extruders.

                  I'm using it on a BCN3D sigma converted to duet wifi and 1.75mm e3d v6. The bowden tube is about 60cm. Maybe my way of finding out pressure advance value is wrong. I was doing a 20mm x 20mm tower in vase mode at 100mm/s speed. The problem on the corners resolves at a pressure advance value of 0.5.

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                  • dc42undefined
                    dc42 administrators
                    last edited by

                    Thanks! That's a perfectly good way of finding a good pressure advance setting (but see the caveat below). The corners look quite bad with no pressure advance, but perhaps that's because you were printing quite fast, and pressure advance matters more at high printing speeds.

                    One thing to watch out for is that high pressure advance settings have the side effect of reducing acceleration unless the extruder jerk is set quite high, and the reduced acceleration may contribute towards the pressure advance "working".

                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                    http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                    • Shenundefined
                      Shen
                      last edited by

                      @dc42:

                      Thanks! That's a perfectly good way of finding a good pressure advance setting (but see the caveat below). The corners look quite bad with no pressure advance, but perhaps that's because you were printing quite fast, and pressure advance matters more at high printing speeds.

                      One thing to watch out for is that high pressure advance settings have the side effect of reducing acceleration unless the extruder jerk is set quite high, and the reduced acceleration may contribute towards the pressure advance "working".

                      Since pressure advance should work independent of speed, I purposely used a high speed for magnifying it's effect. I don't print at such high speed. My extruder acceleration is 5000mm/s and jerk is 10mm/s, whereas the X/Y acceleration is 2000mm/s and jerk is 8mm/s. I guess you are right, maybe the limited printing speed from pressure advance is contribute towards the pressure advance "working". I should re-run the test with lower X/Y jerk and higher E jerk.

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                      • appjawsundefined
                        appjaws
                        last edited by

                        Has anybody found a UK supplier of Capricorn PTFE Tubing XS- Low Friction?

                        appjaws - Core XYUV Duet Ethernet Duex5
                        firmware 3.5.0-rc.4 Web Interface 3.5.0-rc.4
                        Ormerod 1-converted to laser engraver, Duet wifi
                        OpenSCAD version 2024.03.18
                        Simplify3D 5.1.2

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                        • dc42undefined
                          dc42 administrators
                          last edited by

                          E3D will be selling it soon.

                          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                          • number40fanundefined
                            number40fan
                            last edited by

                            I bought a chunk of this when ordering my Smart Effector. I didn't measure before hand or even after cutting it to attach to my printer, but I have 150mm left of whatever the length was that I got. I am currently running some pieces at 5mm retraction (no pressure advance) and haven't seen a whiff of stringing.

                            Direct drive extruder flipped so the marks being left by the extruder gear are on the inside radius of the Bowden tube.

                            Lower retraction tests soon to come.

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                            • deckingmanundefined
                              deckingman
                              last edited by

                              @dc42:

                              E3D will be selling it soon.

                              Yes. I also noticed that they are including it with their "Gold Edition V6" https://e3d-online.com/v6-gold-hotend.

                              Ian
                              https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                              https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                              • totalitarianundefined
                                totalitarian
                                last edited by

                                Yeah E3D have it listed now in 100mm lengths. Can buy longer lengths if you increase the qty

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                                • DADIYundefined
                                  DADIY
                                  last edited by

                                  If anyone is planning on using the capricorn tube with a Bondtech you might want to consider using the bowden adapter rather than the built in adapter, On my bondtech the tube was frequently pushed out of the built-in bowden connector (which damages the tube) but on the adapter its perfect.

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                                  • totalitarianundefined
                                    totalitarian
                                    last edited by

                                    @DADIY:

                                    If anyone is planning on using the capricorn tube with a Bondtech you might want to consider using the bowden adapter rather than the built in adapter, On my bondtech the tube was frequently pushed out of the built-in bowden connector (which damages the tube) but on the adapter its perfect.

                                    I have a bondtech, can you show me what you mean?

                                    I use this on the output end

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                                    • totalitarianundefined
                                      totalitarian
                                      last edited by

                                      Another advantage of capricorn XS tube is it's rated to 340 deg c. I use it in an e3d lite6, no messing around with heat creep.

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                                      • fmaundefined
                                        fma
                                        last edited by

                                        You mean it can be used on a Lite6, and allows to reach same temperatures than the V6? That would be great!

                                        Frédéric

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                                        • botundefined
                                          bot
                                          last edited by

                                          I would advise against that unless you can scientifically verify that to be true. Toxic fumes could be involved.

                                          *not actually a robot

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                                          • deckingmanundefined
                                            deckingman
                                            last edited by

                                            This is from captubes.com web site https://www.captubes.com/safety.html

                                            Seems like running it inside a hot end is not recommended, not is printing at higher temperatures.

                                            Ian
                                            https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                            https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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