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    • dc42undefined
      dc42 administrators
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      Thanks! That's a perfectly good way of finding a good pressure advance setting (but see the caveat below). The corners look quite bad with no pressure advance, but perhaps that's because you were printing quite fast, and pressure advance matters more at high printing speeds.

      One thing to watch out for is that high pressure advance settings have the side effect of reducing acceleration unless the extruder jerk is set quite high, and the reduced acceleration may contribute towards the pressure advance "working".

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      • Shenundefined
        Shen
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        @dc42:

        Thanks! That's a perfectly good way of finding a good pressure advance setting (but see the caveat below). The corners look quite bad with no pressure advance, but perhaps that's because you were printing quite fast, and pressure advance matters more at high printing speeds.

        One thing to watch out for is that high pressure advance settings have the side effect of reducing acceleration unless the extruder jerk is set quite high, and the reduced acceleration may contribute towards the pressure advance "working".

        Since pressure advance should work independent of speed, I purposely used a high speed for magnifying it's effect. I don't print at such high speed. My extruder acceleration is 5000mm/s and jerk is 10mm/s, whereas the X/Y acceleration is 2000mm/s and jerk is 8mm/s. I guess you are right, maybe the limited printing speed from pressure advance is contribute towards the pressure advance "working". I should re-run the test with lower X/Y jerk and higher E jerk.

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        • appjawsundefined
          appjaws
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          Has anybody found a UK supplier of Capricorn PTFE Tubing XS- Low Friction?

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          • dc42undefined
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            E3D will be selling it soon.

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            • number40fanundefined
              number40fan
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              I bought a chunk of this when ordering my Smart Effector. I didn't measure before hand or even after cutting it to attach to my printer, but I have 150mm left of whatever the length was that I got. I am currently running some pieces at 5mm retraction (no pressure advance) and haven't seen a whiff of stringing.

              Direct drive extruder flipped so the marks being left by the extruder gear are on the inside radius of the Bowden tube.

              Lower retraction tests soon to come.

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              • deckingmanundefined
                deckingman
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                @dc42:

                E3D will be selling it soon.

                Yes. I also noticed that they are including it with their "Gold Edition V6" https://e3d-online.com/v6-gold-hotend.

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                • totalitarianundefined
                  totalitarian
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                  Yeah E3D have it listed now in 100mm lengths. Can buy longer lengths if you increase the qty

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                  • DADIYundefined
                    DADIY
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                    If anyone is planning on using the capricorn tube with a Bondtech you might want to consider using the bowden adapter rather than the built in adapter, On my bondtech the tube was frequently pushed out of the built-in bowden connector (which damages the tube) but on the adapter its perfect.

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                    • totalitarianundefined
                      totalitarian
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                      @DADIY:

                      If anyone is planning on using the capricorn tube with a Bondtech you might want to consider using the bowden adapter rather than the built in adapter, On my bondtech the tube was frequently pushed out of the built-in bowden connector (which damages the tube) but on the adapter its perfect.

                      I have a bondtech, can you show me what you mean?

                      I use this on the output end

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                      • totalitarianundefined
                        totalitarian
                        last edited by

                        Another advantage of capricorn XS tube is it's rated to 340 deg c. I use it in an e3d lite6, no messing around with heat creep.

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                        • fmaundefined
                          fma
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                          You mean it can be used on a Lite6, and allows to reach same temperatures than the V6? That would be great!

                          Frédéric

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                          • botundefined
                            bot
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                            I would advise against that unless you can scientifically verify that to be true. Toxic fumes could be involved.

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                            • deckingmanundefined
                              deckingman
                              last edited by

                              This is from captubes.com web site https://www.captubes.com/safety.html

                              Seems like running it inside a hot end is not recommended, not is printing at higher temperatures.

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                              • totalitarianundefined
                                totalitarian
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                                Plenty of hotends have PTFE going to the nozzle. I'd rather have high temperature PTFE…

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                                • deckingmanundefined
                                  deckingman
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                                  Has anyone found a UK source for the TL version? I have short Bowden tubes so would prefer to sacrifice the smaller inner diameter of the XS version for the transparency that the TL version offers. I once had something go horribly wrong with one of my Diamond hot ends and had filament from one input back feeding up another. I only noticed it because I was using transparent PTFE. Plus it's easy to see at a glance that I've loaded the correct colour filament into the correct input.

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                                  • fmaundefined
                                    fma
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                                    Well, I'm using regular PTFE with Lite6, and I don't go above 230°C. Looks like the Capricorn can go a little further. But OK, I won't try 300°C! 250°C is enough for a large choice of filaments.

                                    Frédéric

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                                    • elmoretundefined
                                      elmoret
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                                      @totalitarian:

                                      Another advantage of capricorn XS tube is it's rated to 340 deg c. I use it in an e3d lite6, no messing around with heat creep.

                                      Not true! It has a rated working temperature of 260C. Please do not attempt to use it (or any other PTFE tube) over 260C!

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                                      • deckingmanundefined
                                        deckingman
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                                        Another link to captube's site https://www.captubes.com/specs.html. They show the Melting Point as 300 deg C for the TL and UP TO 340 deg C for the XS version (so it'll melt somewhere below 340deg C). The melting point is a lot different than being "rated as".

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                                        • T3P3Tonyundefined
                                          T3P3Tony administrators
                                          last edited by

                                          To emphasise this even more. PTFE has some very nasty thermal break down products:

                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytetrafluoroethylene#Safety

                                          Do not use above the rated temperature!

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                                          • DADIYundefined
                                            DADIY
                                            last edited by

                                            @totalitarian:

                                            @DADIY:

                                            If anyone is planning on using the capricorn tube with a Bondtech you might want to consider using the bowden adapter rather than the built in adapter, On my bondtech the tube was frequently pushed out of the built-in bowden connector (which damages the tube) but on the adapter its perfect.

                                            I have a bondtech, can you show me what you mean?

                                            I use this on the output end

                                            http://ooznest.co.uk/image/cache/data/products/E3D-Online/Titan/Bowden-Adaptor-351x470.jpg

                                            Yep that should work fine, thats optional on the bondtech for bowden tubes, its the other side that I had the issues with.

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