First cut success - with questions!

Nightowl · 21 May 2022, 16:19

@fcwilt
In programs like Vectric Cut2D, I would design a project to be cut out of a piece of material, usually wood ('real' wood, plywood or MDF). Some people would use the limits of the stock, e.g. use a 6x4x4" block of wood to cut a hole in the middle and call it a box, but I prefer to cut the box out of a larger block, so square edges and a flat top of the block aren't too important, although a flat base is.

The Z zero is (for me) on the top of the block and X and Y zero are to the front left of the block. Others may do things differently, e.g. using the middle of the block as X and Y zero, or the baseboard as their Z zero.

In my case, the tip of the cutter is set on the top of the material at the X and Y start point and click Go, then the machine cuts and leaves a nice shiny box! The Vectric software I use has a size limit (24" x 24") so I can't cut anything larger than that, unless I tile it - but I'm only just starting out and that strategy is a bit advanced for me.

Nightowl · 21 May 2022, 16:37

I'm not getting this, but I'm tired and increasingly frustrated, so I'm going to leave it for now, but here are a couple of photos to show what my issues are (or at least the issues I'm struggling to understand).

This is the maximum work area, although there's quite a bit of dead space at the rear (as the spindle is mounted on the front of the X gantry) and about 20mm inside the Y rails...

This is the workpiece at the front, with a tape measure to show how big the project area is (10x10") from the work zero (where the spindle is)...

But I'm still getting the "Error: G0/G1: target position outside machine limits", which doesn't make sense.

I'll write a smaller project in Cut2D and see if that makes a difference.

Time for a beer with my dinner, I think!

fcwilt · 21 May 2022, 16:55

@nightowl999

We've got company right now and will for several hours yet.

It it weren't for that I would run some tests here and determine what is going on.

Sorry I cannot help you this minute.

Frederick

Nightowl · 21 May 2022, 17:02

That's very kind @fcwilt, but please don't let this spoil your evening.

I've given up for the evening, anyway

JoergS5 · 21 May 2022, 17:49

@Nightowl999 said in First cut success - with questions!:

userPosition is already higher than (max-5)? Would it try to move +5 anyways and hit the upper limit or stop automatically at max?

getting the "Error: G0/G1: target position outside machine limits", which

The firmware is strict for laser/CNC mode to stop with the error if the target is not reachable. This is different to 3D printer mode, where it prints the adjusted range.*)

If your X and Y ranges are ok, then maybe the program wants to lift Z more than the M208 upper limit of 100. To analyse, the line which produces the error should be identified and the current position from M114 Count value and M92 setting.

*) for someone who is interested in the code: GCodes.cpp

 	case LimitPositionResult::adjusted:
	case LimitPositionResult::adjustedAndIntermediateUnreachable:
		if (machineType != MachineType::fff)
		{
			err = "G0/G1: target position outside machine limits";		// it's a laser or CNC so this is a definite error
			return true;
		}
		ToolOffsetInverseTransform(moveState.coords, moveState.currentUserPosition);	// make sure the limits are reflected in the user position
		if (lp == LimitPositionResult::adjusted)
		{
			break;														// we can reach the intermediate positions, so nothing more to do
		}
		// no break

adjusted stops for laser/CNC, but is accepted for 3D printers.

Nightowl · 21 May 2022, 18:05

I wouldn't know the first thing about code, @joergs5, but I'll take a look at the Z height.

If it's relevant, the Z axis configuration sets the physical drive for Z as 'backwards'...

M569 P0.3 S0 ; physical drive 0.3 goes backwards - Z axis

...with the Z minima/maxima set at 0/100.

I'm not sure I fully understand what you're suggesting, but I'd be happy to run the code, if you could tell me exactly how!

Vielen dank.

JoergS5 · 21 May 2022, 18:09

@nightowl999 the first thing would be to find the line which produces the first error message and then proceeding the lines before and then

run M114 and notify the Count values (the first being X position, second y, third Z)
then tell me the count value and M92 and the G0/G1 command which fails. I'll tell you how to calculate and hope to give you an answer for the error
if you want to verify homing, please home and after homing, run M114 and notify count values as well

To avoid ruining your workpieces, there is a simulation mode which should be possible to use. I didn't use it before, so just an idea. M37, but I don't know it, but maybe valuable to find the error line.

Nightowl · 21 May 2022, 18:12

@JoergS5 Thank you.

Before homing, M114 reports the following:
X:0.000 Y:0.000 Z:0.000 E:0.000 Count 0 0 0 Machine 0.000 0.000 0.000 Bed comp 0.000

Just a moment, and I'll home it...

Nightowl · 21 May 2022, 18:15

@JoergS5
After homing, it's:
X:547.000 Y:784.000 Z:97.000 E:0.000 Count 218800 313600 38800 Machine 547.000 784.000 97.000 Bed comp 0.000

JoergS5 · 21 May 2022, 18:20

@nightowl999 said in First cut success - with questions!:

@JoergS5
After homing, it's:
X:547.000 Y:784.000 Z:97.000 E:0.000 Count 218800 313600 38800 Machine 547.000 784.000 97.000 Bed comp 0.000

The 218800 is a value from your M92 setting and the homing position. What is your M92 setting, please?

Nightowl · 21 May 2022, 18:22

@joergs5 All axes are set at 400 steps per mm

JoergS5 · 21 May 2022, 18:24

@joergs5 ok, I think it's 218800/547 = 400.

This means, for every mm your router moves, the Count value for X will be incremented by 400. So you can always see where the firmware thinks that your router is.

Now before you start the error G0/G1 move, you can make a M114 and know where the router is. (of course the G1 before will be this position also in most cases, but to be sure...).

NB the values being all 0 at the beginning is, because firmware doesn't know where your steppers are at the beginning. This is what homing is meant for: telling the firmware where the stepper's positions are. The only reason why the firmware Count values and true stepper position may vary is if there are lost steps (M122 hiccups hight numbers will tell you).

JoergS5 · 21 May 2022, 18:29

@nightowl999

X:547.000 Y:784.000 Z:97.000 E:0.000 Count 218800 313600 38800

547 * 400 = 218800
784 * 400 = 313600
97 * 400 = 38800

or other round, from the Count value divide by your M92 (400) and you'll get the current mm position.

Nightowl · 21 May 2022, 18:30

@JoergS5
Should I move the axes to the Work XYZ first, set Work XYZ, then run M114?

JoergS5 · 21 May 2022, 18:32

@nightowl999 said in First cut success - with questions!:

@JoergS5
Should I move the axes to the Work XYZ first, then run M114?

My proposal would be to move to the last position which is ok. Then make a M114 and notify the Count values, then verify that the next command throws an error.

Nightowl · 21 May 2022, 18:35

@joergs5 Sorry, I edited the question as you answered...

I've now placed the spindle at the Work XYZ (without the cutter installed!) so should I set Work XYZ then run M114?

Nightowl · 21 May 2022, 18:38

M114 before setting Work XYZ...
X:37.000 Y:204.000 Z:85.000 E:0.000 Count 14800 81600 34000 Machine 37.000 204.000 85.000 Bed comp 0.000

Some more information:
Since installing the spoil board, my Z height has reduced to 75mm, but I haven't changed it in the config.g file yet.

M114 after setting Work XYZ...
X:0.000 Y:0.000 Z:0.000 E:0.000 Count 14800 81600 34000 Machine 37.000 204.000 85.000 Bed comp 0.000

JoergS5 · 21 May 2022, 18:45

@nightowl999 said in First cut success - with questions!:

M114 after setting Work XYZ...
X:0.000 Y:0.000 Z:0.000 E:0.000 Count 14800 81600 34000 Mach

Interesting! I was not sure, whether it will be corrected or not.

So work change (did you make it by G54?) doesn't change the count values.

I've learned here something also!
XYZ are the values from the work XYZ view, and the Machine coordinates behind are the true original coordinates.

Nightowl · 21 May 2022, 18:47

@joergs5
I just clicked the Work XYZ button on the Dashboard. I don't know anything about G54??

Nightowl · 21 May 2022, 18:48

@joergs5
The workzero.g file has the following lines:

; workzero.g

; G90 ; set to absolute positioning
G53 G1 Z{move.axes[2].max} F1500 ; raise the Z to the highest position
G1 X0 Y0 F2400 ; go directly above the work zero position
G1 Z0 F2400 ; go to the work Z zero position

	case LimitPositionResult::adjusted:
	case LimitPositionResult::adjustedAndIntermediateUnreachable:
	if (machineType != MachineType::fff)
	{
	err = "G0/G1: target position outside machine limits"; // it's a laser or CNC so this is a definite error
	return true;
	}
	ToolOffsetInverseTransform(moveState.coords, moveState.currentUserPosition); // make sure the limits are reflected in the user position
	if (lp == LimitPositionResult::adjusted)
	{
	break; // we can reach the intermediate positions, so nothing more to do
	}
	// no break