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Mounting a radial fan on the Smart Effector

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    hamel
    last edited by 25 Oct 2017, 02:41

    I used 2 4010 radials and no nozzles. I positioned them while running, and found they actually had a very focused, but far off axis flow of air. Due to this I had to have them pretty off axis to get the air in the right spot without going below the nozzle. I have one blowing just across the front side of the nozzle, and one blowing just off the back in the opposite direction, and it has a nice swirling flow of air right at the tip, with no warm spot under the extended side of the heater block. They stick out from the effector slightly. I could get them inside of the effector with 3010's and a nozzle, but I am finding that it doesn't matter, and the fans sticking out don't get in the way.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/lzuc5FcrEgM3YD5W2

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      hamel
      last edited by 25 Oct 2017, 02:46

      They look really off, but the air flow is pointed directly in front of and behind the nozzle.

      I might give an aquarium air pump a try if I can find one that will flow enough air to keep the entire area under the block cool.

      I have seen people plumb a hose into bent copper rings right around the nozzle fed by a pump. I don't remember the name of the design, but it is well known. I don't think I will like that, as I really like the extra air flow that cools the entire areaโ€ฆbut I might try it sometime.

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        number40fan
        last edited by 25 Oct 2017, 03:31

        Berd Air is the one with the copper tubing.

        My old effector had two of these fans on opposite sides of the hot end. With the same type of nozzle I have on now, it did just that. Created a swirl pattern around the tip.

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          number40fan
          last edited by 25 Oct 2017, 03:45

          I just realized that I had uploaded the wrong fan to effector mount that was in the previous link a few posts up. It has now been changed.

          I also included a mount for the hot end fan (30mm) that drops the fan down and away 10mm.

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            DADIY
            last edited by 25 Oct 2017, 06:50

            @number40fan:

            12 volt fans.

            Edit: The listing for the 12 volt fans on ebay has been discontinued. Search for 40x10 blower fan and you'll find both 12V and 24V.

            24 volt fans.

            https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2PCS-Gdstime-40mm-40x10mm-4CM-DC-24V-0-1A-Mini-Turbo-Blower-Cooling-Cooler-Fan-For/32799434002.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.quhQCp

            I did have to print some small pieces to attach to the effector and for the nozzle end. Then I just hot glued the fan to both pieces. Away from that computer with the files, but will try to remember to get them up.

            Ive bought from this seller on Aliexpress and after 40 days of no delivery doesn't want to give refund like their buyer protection, which sadly automatically closes at 40 days.

            EDIT: Seller did just refund after all.

            I did find them on ebay at the same price by searching for 24v Fan 4010S.

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              Juggeli
              last edited by 26 Oct 2017, 12:13

              I too have been experimenting with different blower fan mounts. I tried my design with 40x40x20mm and 45x45x10mm blower fans but these seem to be just a little too big to fit on the effector assembly and to not reduce the printing area. I just got the shipment for the Gdstime 40x40x10mm blowers and adapted my design for those. I already printed the parts but haven't yet had time to install those, so they might or might not fit ๐Ÿ™‚ I'll post more pics after i try these.


              https://cad.onshape.com/documents/8ba77f2402fa7158a8d70539/w/3a248fe5905849418e449f95/e/1539f40d5e31d733d60ec655

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                hamel
                last edited by 26 Oct 2017, 23:16

                I'll give it a try. Looks like a nice design. Test printing now.

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                  hamel
                  last edited by 27 Oct 2017, 07:54

                  https://cad.onshape.com/documents/e3ad7802741e48f7b333d901/w/d3234fc2aae1fdcd65eb5f59/e/b077e46d6fa1feab4594d930

                  Had to move the ducts forward 10mm to get the air on the nozzle. Without it just blows 10mm behind the heater block. Works great and I love how it looks. Great design job. I'm reprinting now in transparent to see if it helps the LEDs reach.

                  Thanks again.

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                    Juggeli
                    last edited by 27 Oct 2017, 14:24

                    Oh yes good point. Thanks for that. The exit hole is aligned with the nozzle but the airflow itself goes behind the nozzle. Gotta reprint mine now. Also have to make a slight adjustment on where the fan exit meets the shroud

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                      sungod3k
                      last edited by 30 Oct 2017, 04:41

                      Here is my contribution to that topic ๐Ÿ˜„ http://a360.co/2gUIpMk
                      The same style of model cooling duct Ive used for a long time and the only disadvantage is that the view on the model is blocked by the torus.
                      It uses a 50mm radial fan that unfortunately reaches over the effector and therefore has to be angled away. Not a problem on my machine but that increases the footprint of the print head quite a bit.
                      The airflow on the opposite side of the fan is still noticeably weaker but at least the air angles downwards. I usually never use more the 60% power on the fan, 40% would probably be fine and also noise relevant.

                      I haven't heard much about the "swirly" method of adding two fans. Would be interesting to see the exact airflow.

                      http://www.42dimensions.de/
                      https://printnewworlds.blogspot.com/

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                        number40fan
                        last edited by 11 Mar 2017, 02:42 3 Nov 2017, 02:42

                        Two fans tucked under the effector. I had to relocate the plug for the hotend fan as well as the jumper for the LEDs to the top side.

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                          hamel
                          last edited by 8 Nov 2017, 22:38

                          https://cad.onshape.com/documents/e3ad7802741e48f7b333d901/w/d3234fc2aae1fdcd65eb5f59/e/b077e46d6fa1feab4594d930

                          I edited it to remove the front brace that blocked the LED light, and extended and moved the duct to fit a volcano heater block. I printed in clear to soften and spread the LED light. Test print worked great, printing a final now.

                          Do you mind if I post this to thingiverse to share the file? Of course I will credit you for the initial design.

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                            Hergonoway
                            last edited by 4 Dec 2017, 20:39

                            Really like the mount idea where it's attached to the side of the effector instead of strictly below.

                            Currently reworking an old first design for 40mm radial, I'll go with a 2 part pieces mount. Due to the size, I add issues with the duck part, finally I've designed it like a cap to put over the blower exit , I think it'll be easier to reprint only the cap in order to match needs.

                            I'll post it here once printed ๐Ÿ™‚

                            Delta goes BrrrRRRRrrrrrRRRRrrr

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                              andino
                              last edited by 7 Dec 2017, 06:03

                              Just a couple of observations on the design for the underside fan mounts.

                              1. The cooling fan can not be changed to the back. The jumper and the connector for the cooling fan are there. As well as the heater connector. So the cooling fan and cover won't allow for it to go there.

                              2. When looking at the left side of the board, the Termistor connector is in the way and won't allow for connection. That thing has a pretty good drop on it. That's like a good 20mm from the top of the PCB to the bottom of the clip there.

                              I really believe that about the only place that you'll be able to put that type of fan is in the right side of the board. And even then you'll have to turn the cooling fan a smidge.

                              I may be looking at it all wrong too. But that is what I found when I printed them out and tried them.

                              Great work so far there guys.

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                                brandonh
                                last edited by 28 Dec 2017, 06:43

                                Here's my design, this time with a 40x20mm blower fan:
                                https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2732877

                                I'm happy that the design extends minimally beyond the effector triangle, but in terms of cooling efficiency, other fans/designs may be better. I've got some 40mm fans on order to try out too.

                                Comments welcome! Lots of nice designs on this thread.

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                                  Jimborr
                                  last edited by 28 Dec 2017, 13:29

                                  I've also create a mount/nozzle for a 5015 blower fan. Not the prettiest there is, function before form?!
                                  You might loose some printarea depending on your setup though.

                                  https://i.imgur.com/YGceDSz.jpg?1

                                  I haven't done any briding tests with it yet but it looks promising.

                                  http://a360.co/2lfN2Qn mount
                                  http://a360.co/2ChBnrn nozzle

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                                    PlasticMetal
                                    last edited by 1 Apr 2018, 01:47 4 Jan 2018, 01:37

                                    I've been using this design with a 30mm fan for a couple months now, also based on the tusk idea. Sorry, no pix handy.

                                    It mounts on the bottom side of the SE, under 2 magballs, so no extra hardware is needed. I need to trim it down some, possibly splitting it into 2 parts as others have done.

                                    http://a360.co/2CD81as

                                    I printed it in PETG, which gives it enough flex for the fan to snap in place. I printed it with the left side on the bed (as viewed when looking at the fan); I don't recall for sure, but it was likely with 0.20 to 0.30 layers (0.6 nozzle).

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                                      RGN01
                                      last edited by 1 Jul 2018, 16:35 7 Jan 2018, 16:19

                                      I've just finished my new mount for the Smart Effector. It is designed for a 40 x 15mm radial fan.

                                      https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2749324

                                      Richard

                                      (Edited to add photo)

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                                      • dc42undefined
                                        dc42 administrators
                                        last edited by 7 Jan 2018, 17:07

                                        Nice!

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                                          Gone2Far
                                          last edited by 1 Aug 2018, 02:12 8 Jan 2018, 02:12

                                          If I might, I'd like to ask a related question. What is the minimum distance recommended for ducts or other protrusions above the nozzle tip? Don't want to crash into the bed or print.

                                          Thanks in advance!

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