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    • kazolarundefined
      kazolar
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      in theory for tool 1 and tool 2 yes – absolutely they're on the same Y gantry, tool 2 and 3 are on their own independent Y gantry, and in theory it should also only vary on Z, but since I have the ability to probe the bed with each tool, I would like to give them their own mesh. I already used the probing capability to figure out the Z offsets, so that's done.

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      • kazolarundefined
        kazolar
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        oh and maybe I wasn't clear, this is a machine with is for 4 independent extruders –

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        • deckingmanundefined
          deckingman
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          I don't get it either. The mesh is to compensate for height variations of the print surface so why would you need different amounts of compensation for each extruder?

          Ian
          https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
          https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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          • timcurtis67undefined
            timcurtis67
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            I can see setting different Z values based on each extruder but not for bed leveling? A crooked bed is a crooked bed. once you know how to flatten it then all of the extruders should use the same map. Unless the y gantries aren't parallel with each other, in that case I would indicate them in to all be parallel.

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            • kazolarundefined
              kazolar
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              So, don't bother? – use one mesh from any arbitrary tool (tool 1 is easiest) and then just set the Z offset for the rest. I supposes I was trying to get a bit more out of the fact that each tool has a piezo in it

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              • whosrdaddyundefined
                whosrdaddy
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                I stopped using mesh bed leveling long ago, just make sure your bed is flat, the piezo probe will ensure you always have the correct Z-height, the rest should not be needed 🙂

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                • kazolarundefined
                  kazolar
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                  @whosrdaddy:

                  I stopped using mesh bed leveling long ago, just make sure your bed is flat, the piezo probe will ensure you always have the correct Z-height, the rest should not be needed 🙂

                  so what do you do instead for auto bed leveling? G32? I'm using it for lead screw compensation. I'm figuring g29 to create a mesh. It's a large bed 610mm – flat as it gets -- very small sag in the center -- the probe measures 0.1mm diff between center and edges.

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                  • whosrdaddyundefined
                    whosrdaddy
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                    yes only G32, I have a i3 like setup and the 2 screw calibration works flawless in combination with the piezo sensor.
                    Whenever I startup the printer I will do a G32 because the motors will be out of sync anyway.
                    My first layer is always correct now since I use this feature.
                    If you have a flat bed then G29 is really useless…

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                    • kazolarundefined
                      kazolar
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                      @whosrdaddy:

                      yes only G32, I have a i3 like setup and the 2 screw calibration works flawless in combination with the piezo sensor.
                      Whenever I startup the printer I will do a G32 because the motors will be out of sync anyway.
                      My first layer is always correct now since I use this feature.
                      If you have a flat bed then G29 is really useless…

                      how many points to do you use for G32 (in bed.g I suppose)

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                      • whosrdaddyundefined
                        whosrdaddy
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                        only 2 as I have 2 leadscrews…

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                        • kazolarundefined
                          kazolar
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                          @whosrdaddy:

                          only 2 as I have 2 leadscrews…

                          yea, that's only enough to sync up the lead screws, and that requires manually leveling the bed – sorta defeats the purpose of having a probe IMO.
                          I just want to get it close by eye and then let software compensate for the rest

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                          • whosrdaddyundefined
                            whosrdaddy
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                            The probe is needed for accurate leadscrew compensation.
                            I do use G29 to check that the bed is leveled, once the bed is leveled you never need to do it again.

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                            • kazolarundefined
                              kazolar
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                              so I guess, manually send the head to different spots and adjust – thought of that, but I basically have it pretty level as is -- but the machine is too big and bed is too big to get it perfect, and I'm after perfect -- I ran G29 on it 2 weeks ago -- and I had the entire bed STD was ~0.2mm -- so I have it close already. I'll try it again tonight now that things are more stable and secure. I now have glass secured to the aluminum, so all mechanicals are done. Time to level and calibrate the extruders for XYZ offsets

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                              • deckingmanundefined
                                deckingman
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                                @kazolar:

                                …................. I now have glass secured to the aluminum, so all mechanicals are done. ..................

                                Is the glass toughened? I found out the hard way that the toughening process causes the glass to distort so plain float glass is better.

                                Ian
                                https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                                • kazolarundefined
                                  kazolar
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                                  @deckingman:

                                  @kazolar:

                                  …................. I now have glass secured to the aluminum, so all mechanicals are done. ..................

                                  Is the glass toughened? I found out the hard way that the toughening process causes the glass to distort so plain float glass is better.

                                  I use borosilicate glass with PEI attached on top – never use plain glass on a heated bed, especially this big -- last thing I need is this thing to crack from heat. And it's flat -- absolutely flat, got it direct from the manufacturer who basically invented the process of creating borosilicate sheets -- they made it custom to my spec (if you're in US, they're the place to go for borosilicate glass, not some reseller who gets it from who knows where)

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                                  • kazolarundefined
                                    kazolar
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                                    Lovely discovery yesterday – my Y gantries were not parallel -- out by 5 mm -- took some minor disassembly, and some end stop adjustments but now parallel to as low as my caliper measures.

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