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    janjoh
    last edited by 23 Jan 2023, 14:47

    I wonder what is going on here. Every other on high, every other one low. (Delta machine, smart effector).

    This will be interesting to troubleshoot.

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      droftarts administrators @janjoh
      last edited by 23 Jan 2023, 14:55

      @janjoh almost certainly something is loose. Hold the effector and jiggle it’s around a bit, you’ll probably feel it rattling somewhere.

      Ian

      Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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        janjoh @droftarts
        last edited by 23 Jan 2023, 14:57

        @droftarts said in The strangest bed deviation map I have ever seen.:

        @janjoh almost certainly something is loose. Hold the effector and jiggle it’s around a bit, you’ll probably feel it rattling somewhere.

        Ian

        Thank you, but no. Steady as can be. (Both in regard to tilting, jiggling and twisting really)

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          janjoh
          last edited by 23 Jan 2023, 14:57

          Looking in this angle, the symmetry is almost impressive 🙂

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            droftarts administrators @janjoh
            last edited by 23 Jan 2023, 15:02

            @janjoh check for loose pulleys on the tower motors.

            Ian

            Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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              janjoh @droftarts
              last edited by 23 Jan 2023, 15:15

              @droftarts said in The strangest bed deviation map I have ever seen.:

              @janjoh check for loose pulleys on the tower motors.

              Ian

              You know what. Something just feels "off" with the Y/Beta kinematics. Can't put my finger on it. It is nice and tigt, but just has a different feel then the other kinematics.

              Will focus my effort there and see what may be up.

              I am still open to suggestions on how the heck something can error so symmetrically 🙂

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                infiniteloop @janjoh
                last edited by 23 Jan 2023, 16:47

                @janjoh said in The strangest bed deviation map I have ever seen.:

                You know what.

                Yeah, @droftarts knows. It's clearly a mechanical problem - as long as you don't wanna state your bed really has this hexagonal or "sawtooth" face.

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                  janjoh @infiniteloop
                  last edited by 23 Jan 2023, 19:39

                  @infiniteloop said in The strangest bed deviation map I have ever seen.:

                  @janjoh said in The strangest bed deviation map I have ever seen.:

                  You know what.

                  Yeah, @droftarts knows. It's clearly a mechanical problem - as long as you don't wanna state your bed really has this hexagonal or "sawtooth" face.

                  No. Milled plate from Clever3d.de so.. It's "flat enough" 🙂

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                    janjoh @droftarts
                    last edited by 23 Jan 2023, 20:04

                    @droftarts Heh. Looks like a bearing malfunction on one bearing on the idler. TIme to get a new one. And for that matter, replace the belt while i am at it.

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                      droftarts administrators @janjoh
                      last edited by 23 Jan 2023, 20:45

                      @janjoh Which tower was causing the issue? It's certainly a pretty bed mesh!

                      Ian

                      Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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                        mrehorstdmd @janjoh
                        last edited by 23 Jan 2023, 22:23

                        @janjoh You wouldn't be using steel core belts, would you? Steel core belts going over small pulleys are notorious for causing bizarre problems when the steel wires inside the polyurethane belt break, allowing the polyurethane to stretch.

                        https://drmrehorst.blogspot.com/

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                          janjoh @droftarts
                          last edited by 24 Jan 2023, 10:20

                          @droftarts Y/Beta. But I might as well replace all belts bearings while i am at it.

                          Also, I do not KNOW that it is the Y/Beta. I so far just know that it had a "strange feel".

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                            janjoh @mrehorstdmd
                            last edited by 24 Jan 2023, 10:21

                            @mrehorstdmd Nah. Kevlar (at least the package says Kevlar (Genuini Chinesium belts...), and there is atleast "textile like" fibres visible in the cuts)

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                              janjoh @droftarts
                              last edited by 28 Jan 2023, 21:22

                              @droftarts

                              Yeah, that Idler had SOMETHING to do with it all right.

                              Bearings on Y/Beta idler now replaced. This is at least acceptably strange. Guess I should retune all belts and run a new calibration run etc since I've dismantled parts of the kinematics). I just got a bit over-eager to test it.

                              (And yes, I forgot to replace the magnetic build surface when running the mesh, so I have a bit of an overall Z offset)

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                                o_lampe @janjoh
                                last edited by 29 Jan 2023, 08:01

                                @janjoh Just because the heightmap is plain blue now, doesn't mean it's flat. You are just flying under the radar of the colourmap.
                                Either change the probe height in config.g or put the magnetic sheet back on. Then probe again

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                                  janjoh @o_lampe
                                  last edited by janjoh 29 Jan 2023, 10:12

                                  @o_lampe Oh, I know that. But what it DOES mean is that the hex pattern is no longer present. Now it is a plain-old-inverted-taco-shape.

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                                    droftarts administrators @janjoh
                                    last edited by 29 Jan 2023, 14:43

                                    @janjoh inverted taco shape sounds like tower placement problems. See “Tower Placement Symmetry” in http://boim.com/DeltaUtil/CalDoc/Calibration.html

                                    Ian

                                    Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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