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    • sjason1377undefined
      sjason1377 Banned
      last edited by

      I see dtive number 0,1,2,3,and so on that don't match what I have.
      Idle

      kathryn printer

      Tools / Heaters / Extra
      Control All
      Tool Heater Current Active Standby
      Tool 0
      T0
      Heater 1
      active 24.4 °C

      Bed

      Heater 0
      standby 30.8 °C

      Temperature Chart
      0
      50
      100
      150
      200
      250
      Machine Status
      Head Position X Y Z
      100.0 0.0 0.00
      Extruder Drives Drive 1 Drive 2 Drive 3
      0.0 0.0 0.0
      Sensors Vin Z-Probe
      0.5 V 0

      Machine Control
      Print Status

      G-Code Console
      G-Code Files
      Macros

      Filaments
      Settings

      General
      User Interface
      List Items
      System Editor
      Machine Properties
      Tools

      Drive Configuration
      Drive Endstop hit Minimum Maximum InstantDv Max Speed Acceleration Motor Current
      0 No 0 mm 295 mm 20 mm/s 166.67 mm/s 500 mm/s² 0 mA
      1 No 0 mm 295 mm 20 mm/s 166.67 mm/s 500 mm/s² 0 mA
      2 No 0 mm 207 mm 1 mm/s 4.67 mm/s 250 mm/s² 0 mA
      3 Yes n/a n/a 2 mm/s 20 mm/s 250 mm/s² 0 mA
      4 Yes n/a n/a 2 mm/s 20 mm/s 250 mm/s² 0 mA
      5 No n/a n/a 2 mm/s 20 mm/s 250 mm/s² 0 mA
      6 No n/a n/a 2 mm/s 20 mm/s 250 mm/s² 0 mA
      7 No n/a n/a 2 mm/s 20 mm/s 250 mm/s² 0 mA
      8 No n/a n/a 2 mm/s 20 mm/s 250 mm/s² 0 mA
      9 No n/a n/a 2 mm/s 20 mm/s 250 mm/s² 0 mA
      Z-Probe

      Type:
      Digital Switch (5)
      Trigger Height:
      0.7 mm
      Trigger Value:
      50

      Other

      Geometry:
      Cartesian
      Motor Idle Current Factor:
      30%
      Motor Idle Timeout:
      never

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      • dc42undefined
        dc42 administrators
        last edited by

        Drive 0 endstop is X, 1 is Y, and 2 is Z.

        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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        • sjason1377undefined
          sjason1377 Banned
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          m119 reports x at max y at min z at min, just like I have them. machine won't home for another reason, then the switches and there config. most be a homing config issue

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          • sjason1377undefined
            sjason1377 Banned
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            yes but those drives are remapped x10 y11 z5

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            • dc42undefined
              dc42 administrators
              last edited by

              @sjason1377:

              m119 reports x at max y at min z at min, just like I have them. machine won't home for another reason, then the switches and there config. most be a homing config issue

              Is that the report only when the carriages are at their endstops, or all the time, or only when they are not at the endstops?

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              • sjason1377undefined
                sjason1377 Banned
                last edited by

                Ok I got x to travel for homing, but didn't stop. y won't even try nor will z.

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                • sjason1377undefined
                  sjason1377 Banned
                  last edited by

                  M119 while holding any one of the switches tells me that that switch is hit and show max for x which is correct. min for y and z also correct. The machine tried to home x once and slammed without stopped despite the m119 showing the switch works and config properly. Now trying to run a print, its homes x y together, but stop both falsely reporting the axis it shorted. the homes z not stopping for that one. might I ad no usb connected and pc, duet, drives, everything powered off 1 power supply made for servers. I scoped it for noise. nothing. Just can't figure it out. x travel exceed the y, but your never going be in the same starting place every time you home. I even g92 the thing to set a far race. last time it homed this way it gave y -595. machine size in config is 0 295y

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                  • dc42undefined
                    dc42 administrators
                    last edited by

                    Please post the contents of your homing files.

                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                    • sjason1377undefined
                      sjason1377 Banned
                      last edited by

                      The information you requested. Switches were just replaced to these, from the makerbot v1.2 to eliminate all possible failure modes. these are normally closed with no resistor. com and nc connected to outside pins of endstop connectors. individually tested. x drive 10 max endstop. m119 reports x at max when i hold switch triggered. x not stopped when I release. y at min triggered. y not stop when not triggered. Z at min triggered and z not stopped when not triggered. Machine properties console concurs with these results.

                      Operation speed:
                      Action frequency
                      Mechanical:
                      Electrical:
                      Insulation resistance:
                      Contact resistance (initial value):
                      Voltage withstanding
                      Open contacts:
                      Between chassis and contacts:
                      Ground & terminal:
                      Vibration (button type):
                      Shock (button type)
                      OF 0.49 N type:
                      OF 0.98 N type:
                      OF 1.96 N & 3.92 N type:
                      Life
                      Mechanical:
                      Electrical:
                      Ambient temperature:
                      Humidity:
                      Contact material:
                      Weight:
                      0.1 mm - 1 m/s (button type)
                      600 operations per minute
                      30 operations per minute
                      100mΩ min. (tested at 500 VDC)
                      15mΩ maximium
                      AC 1000V 50/60 Hz 1 min
                      AC 2000V 50/60 Hz 1 min
                      AC 2000V 50/60 Hz 1 min
                      10 - 55 Hz, 1.5mm double amplitude
                      Under 98 m/s²
                      Under 196 m/s²
                      Under 294 m/s²
                      10,000,000 operations min
                      100,000 operations min
                      -25°C to +80°C (without frost or condensation)
                      Under 85% (about +5 ~ 35)
                      AgNi alloy; AgCdO alloy (does not meet RoHS directive)
                      6.2 g (button type)
                      SPECIFICATIONS
                      Household applicances:
                      Business appliances:
                      Machinery:
                      Other:
                      Microwave ovens, rice cookers, washing machines, warmers, watering
                      troughs, humidiers, disinfecters
                      Automats, gaming arcades, electronics, tools, duplicators, shredders
                      Haulers, printers, textile machines
                      Auto door drive organization, equipment latch-lock mechanisms
                      APPLICATIONS
                      MICRO SWITCHES
                      48621 Warm Springs Blvd Fremont, CA 94539, USA
                      Phone:
                      Fax:
                      www.temcoindustrial.com
                      Specications may vary and are subject to change. For certied drawings and specications, please contact a TEMCo representative.
                      (510) 490-2187
                      (510) 490-1507
                      1. High precision action seat.
                      Action seat (OP) 14.7 +/1 0.4 mm, prev-travel (PT) max.
                      is 1.2 mm (button type shown below as example).
                      2. High shock resistance.
                      Action seat (OP) 14.7 +/1 0.4 mm, prev-travel (PT) max.
                      is 1.2 mm (button type shown below as example).
                      3. High heat resistance.
                      Max temperature: 105°C
                      4. Many variations to suit your application.
                      Current ratings range from 1A to 21 A (silver contact, Ag alloy
                      contacts, and silver plated gold contats available).
                      TERMINAL TYPE SPECIFICATIONS
                      Under
                      Terminal
                      Terminal
                      Dimensions
                      Horizontal
                      Terminal
                      Terminal Type
                      #4.8 Solder/Bolt Common Terminal
                      4.8 Solder Terminal
                      6.3 Bolt Terminal
                      Screw Fix Terminal
                      Solder Terminals
                      Button
                      Short Roller Lever
                      Roller Lever
                      Short Lever
                      Lever
                      Long Lever
                      Curved Lever
                      DRIVE TYPE SCHEMATICS
                      Contact type
                      NC
                      NO
                      COM
                      Change
                      NC
                      COM
                      Close
                      NO
                      COM
                      Open
                      15.9 mm
                      27.8 mm
                      10.3 mm
                      Button type
                      OP
                      PT
                      6. CCC Certiied, CE Marked, meets RoHS directive.
                      5. Strong, durable shell.
                      Plastic shell can bear 6 KGF.CM torque during installation.
                      Varied wiring congurations (see Terminal Type Specs chart below).
                      OF
                      Dierent terminal connector choices available.
                      Varied action pressure (OF) types.
                      Bolt terminal card
                      Electric-shock plastic safeguard socket
                      #4.8 Bolt
                      #4.8 3 Pole
                      MICRO SWITCHES
                      48621 Warm Springs Blvd Fremont, CA 94539, USA
                      Phone:
                      Fax:
                      www.temcoindustrial.com
                      Specications may vary and are subject to change. For certied drawings and specications, please contact a TEMCo representative.
                      (510) 490-2187
                      (510) 490-1507
                      INSTALLATION HOLE DIMENSIONS (in mm)
                      Button
                      Drive Lever
                      Terminal
                      Contact
                      Flat Spring
                      Body
                      STRUCTURAL DIAGRAM
                      10.3 +/- 0.1
                      22.2 +/- 0.1
                      2-3.1 installation hole or M3 screw hole
                      MICRO SWITCHES
                      48621 Warm Springs Blvd Fremont, CA 94539, USA
                      Phone:
                      Fax:
                      www.temcoindustrial.com
                      Specications may vary and are subject to change. For certied drawings and specications, please contact a TEMCo representative.
                      (510) 490-2187
                      (510) 490-1507

                      Now myconfig.g

                      ; Configuration file for Duet Ethernet (firmware version 1.19.2)
                      ; executed by the firmware on start-up
                      ;
                      ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool on Mon Oct 23 2017 18:51:17 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time)

                      ; General preferences
                      M111 S0 ; Debugging off
                      G21 ; Work in millimetres
                      G90 ; Send absolute coordinates…
                      M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
                      M555 P1 ; Set firmware compatibility to look like RepRapFirmare
                      M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1 ; Set axis minima
                      M208 X295 Y295 Z207 S0 ; Set axis maxima

                      ; Endstops
                      M574 X2 Y1 Z1 E0:1 S1 ; Define active high microswitches
                      M558 P5 X0 Y0 Z1 H5 F100 T2000 ; Set Z probe type to BLTOUCH, the axes for which it is used and the probe + travel speeds
                      G31 P50 X50 Y10 Z.7 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
                      M557 X50:275 Y50:275 S20 ; Define mesh grid
                      M557 R105

                      ; tools
                      M563 P0 D6:8:9 H1 F2
                      G10 P0 S0 R0 X0 Y0

                      ; Drives
                      M569 P10 S1 R0 T2 ; Drive 10 goes forawrds
                      M569 P11 S0 R0 T2 ; Drive 11 goes reverse
                      M569 P5 S0 R0 T2 ; Drive 5 goes reverse
                      M569 P6 S1 R1 T2 ; Drive 6 goes forwards
                      M569 P8 S1 R1 T2 ; Drive 8 goes forwards
                      M569 P9 S1 R1 T2 ; Drive 9 goes forwards
                      M584 X10 Y11 Z5 E6:8:9
                      M350 X128 Y128 Z128 E128:128:128 I0 ; Configure microstepping without interpolation
                      M92 X800 Y800 Z25600 E640:640:640 ; Set steps per mm
                      M566 X1200 Y1200 Z18 E120:120:120 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                      M203 X19000 Y19000 Z280 E1600:1600:1600 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                      M201 X700 Y700 Z430 E350:350:350 ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                      M906 X0 Y0 Z0 E0:0:0 ; Set motor currents (mA)
                      M84 S0 ; Disable motor idle current reduction

                      ; Heaters
                      M143 S260 ; Set maximum heater temperature to 260C
                      M305 P0 T100000 B4138 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
                      M305 P1 T100000 B4138 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1
                      M307 H7 A1 C1 D1
                      ; Tools
                      M563 P0 D0:1:2 H1 ; Define tool 0
                      G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Set tool 0 axis offsets
                      G10 P0 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C

                      ; Network
                      M550 Pkathryn printer ; Set machine name
                      M540 PBE:EF:DE:AD:FE:ED ; Set MAC address
                      M552 P192.168.2.9 S1 ; Enable network static address
                      M586 P0 S1 ; Enable HTTP
                      M586 P1 S0 ; Disable FTP
                      M586 P2 S0 ; Disable Telnet

                      ; Fans
                      M106 P0 S1 I0 F255 H-1 ; Set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
                      M106 P1 S1 I0 F255 H1 T45 ; Set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on
                      M106 P2 S1 I F255 H1 T45 ; Set fan 2 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on

                      ; Custom settings are not configured

                      ; Miscellaneous
                      M501 ; Load saved parameters from non-volatile memory

                      ; homeall.g
                      ; called to home all axes
                      ;
                      ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool on Mon Oct 23 2017 18:51:17 GMT-0400

                      ; Relative positioning
                      G91

                      ; Lift Z
                      G1 Z5 F1500

                      ; Course home X and Y
                      G1 X290 Y-290 F750 S1

                      ; Move away from the endstops
                      G1 X-10 Y-10 F1000

                      ; Fine home X and Y
                      G1 X290 Y-290 F250 S1

                      ; Absolute positioning
                      G90

                      ; Go to first bed probe point and home Z
                      G1 X50 Y50 F1500
                      G30

                      ; Uncomment the following line to lift the nozzle after probing
                      G1 Z5 F100

                      homex.g
                      ; homex.g
                      ; called to home the X axis
                      ;
                      ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool on Mon Oct 23 2017 18:51:17 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time)

                      G91
                      G1 Z5 F1500
                      G90

                      G1 X290 F750 S1

                      G91
                      G1 X-5 F1000
                      G90

                      G1 X290 F250 S1

                      G91
                      G1 Z-5 F1000
                      G90

                      Homey.g

                      ; homey.g
                      ; called to home the Y axis
                      ;
                      ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool on Mon Oct 23 2017 18:51:17 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time)

                      ; Lift Z relative to current position
                      G91
                      G1 Z5 F3000
                      G90

                      ; Move quickly to Y axis endstop and stop there (first pass)
                      G1 Y-290 F1000 S1

                      ; Go back a few mm
                      G91
                      G1 Y5 F1000
                      G90

                      ; Move slowly to y axis endstop once more (second pass)
                      G1 Y-290 F250 S1

                      ; Lower Z again
                      G91
                      G1 Z-5 F1000
                      G90

                      Homez.g

                      ; homez.g
                      ; called to home the Z axis
                      ;
                      ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool on Mon Oct 23 2017 18:51:17 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time)

                      ; bed.g
                      ; called to perform automatic bed compensation via G32
                      ;
                      ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool on Mon Oct 23 2017 18:51:17 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time)

                      ; Clear any bed transform
                      ;M561

                      M401 ;deployprobe
                      G29 S0 ;probebedmesh
                      M402 ;retractprobe
                      M374 ;save map to file.

                      deployprobe.g
                      M280 P7 S10

                      M280 P7 S90

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                      • dc42undefined
                        dc42 administrators
                        last edited by

                        Suggestions:

                        1. You are using external drivers for X and Y, but you have M350 X128 Y128. You should set X and Y to 16 in that M350 command, even if you are actually using higher microstepping on your external drivers. I'm not sure that using X128 Y128 in M350 will cause a problem, but it might. Leave your M92 steps/mm at 800 if that is correct for the microstep setting on your drivers.

                        2. What types of external drivers are you using for X and Y? You may need to extend the pulse width to more than 2us. Try T4 in your M569 P10 and M569 P11 commands until everything is working.

                        3. I suggest you test basic motion first. Send G91 to put the printer into relative coordinate mode. Then send these commands and check that the movement is as expected:

                        G1 S2 X50 F3000 ; should move the head 50mm in the +X direction
                        G1 S2 X-50 F3000 ; should move the head 50mm in the -X direction
                        G1 S2 Y50 F3000 ; should move the head 50mm in the +Y direction
                        G1 S2 Y-50 F3000 ; should move the head 50mm in the -Y direction

                        HTH David

                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                        • sjason1377undefined
                          sjason1377 Banned
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                          As I stated before, I am requesting answers in the most efficient manner to correct my issues. This benefits both of us. I have 2 years backround in cnc millturn 5 axis setup and control. I already calibrated the machine, once movement happened, by placing it on my mill and following the mills with a feed sensitive probe in spindle. The board produces exact move as advertised. The issue with 128 micro in M350 command much be that way. Otherwise I get 1/8 the travel distance. I know my setup well. this is the 3rd printer board I've tried. Smoothieboard lacked the drive flexibility. Arduino, well you no there limits. I like the Gcode on the fly. Printer worked with 3 other boards. The drivers are kl 5056d they come with software and serial port comm to pc for tuning and calibration. Nothing on my side is causing any of this action. My question is this. Regardless if i am right or wrong, asking someone to look at the files and confirm or direct me is actually a separate request than Diagnosing the total build. I just want to know that my config.g and homing files are in correct. I can play tag for weeks over hardware and calibration, but if it's in the files causing the issue, how many times am I going to check what I know already works. Please understand I total get the switches electrically, mechanically and the moves are spot on. It stops sometimes. Homes 1 axis correct, than doesn't other times. but never all 3 completely as a homeall.g or 1 after the next. I'm not even going to test probing until it's reliable first. To answer the request, I get 6.24903 reading from uccnc off the mill, and 6.25 on duet. again sensor to sensor spindle to nozzle test.

                          If I could just receive conformation that I have properly configured those homing files and that config.g is in order as it relates to homing of axis plains I would be very grateful. If I need to correct them I will receive any advice with much thanks!

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                          • deckingmanundefined
                            deckingman
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                            @sjason1377:

                            …....................................
                            If I could just receive conformation that I have properly configured those homing files..........................

                            No, you haven't. There is an inconsistency between the homing of Y in homeall.g and the homey.g file (clue - the homeall.g looks wrong). Also, if it were me, I'd home Z at the centre of the bed rather than 50mm from a corner but you seem to have far more experience than me so I'll not argue.

                            Ian
                            https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                            https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                            • sjason1377undefined
                              sjason1377 Banned
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                              Ok I tested machine with on board drivers and it homed. This board doesn't work with x y z on external drivers like advertised

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                              • dc42undefined
                                dc42 administrators
                                last edited by

                                The Duet does work with external drivers for XYZ. However, the drive voltage available on the CONN_LCD connector is 3.3V, and your external drivers may require 5V.

                                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                                • sjason1377undefined
                                  sjason1377 Banned
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                                  what does that have to do with machine not stopping for the endstop switches? this post is about homing not drivers. It want home and you still haven't commented on the files I up loaded. I hit the home x button and slam. Hit home y and slam. S1 is is write in the file. I see the led go out everytime for the axes homing, but slam and stripping the belt. Please just tell me why that is?

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                                  • T3P3Tonyundefined
                                    T3P3Tony administrators
                                    last edited by

                                    ; Course home X and Y
                                    G1 X290 Y-290 F750 S1

                                    ; Move away from the endstops
                                    G1 X-10 Y-10 F1000

                                    ; Fine home X and Y
                                    G1 X290 Y-290 F250 S1

                                    This is wrong if your Y endstop is a minimum one then you are moving negative 290, then trying to move negative 10 it should be +10. As deckingman pointed out this is different in homeall.g from homey.g so you will get a different result depending on how you call homing.

                                    Also you have a very different homeZ from homeall.g I would get the individual axes working homing by them selves, then copy those elements into the homeall.g

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                                    • dc42undefined
                                      dc42 administrators
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                                      @sjason1377:

                                      what does that have to do with machine not stopping for the endstop switches? this post is about homing not drivers. It want home and you still haven't commented on the files I up loaded. I hit the home x button and slam. Hit home y and slam. S1 is is write in the file. I see the led go out everytime for the axes homing, but slam and stripping the belt. Please just tell me why that is?

                                      I have already commented on your files: i pointed out that using M350 to set microstepping on external drivers might be problematic. Ian and Tony have pointed out issues with your homing files.

                                      Another issue I can see with your config.g file is that the maximum speed you have configured in the M203 command is much too high to be achievable, especially in view of your high steps/mm. But that shouldn't affect homing because the commanded speeds are much lower.

                                      Please provide a link to the datasheet for the external drivers you are using, and tell us how you have connected them to the Duet.

                                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                      • sjason1377undefined
                                        sjason1377 Banned
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                                        wont home x not even attempting to move. instant error on screen with on board drivers. Lets forget external drivers, there are all off. Just the board and steppers now. I can jog and thats it. Used configurator to produce new homing files and tried to home. instant failure message. now m122 reports stand still stalled on x and z. this is as standard of a setup as it get. this board just doesn't work.

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                                        • sjason1377undefined
                                          sjason1377 Banned
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                                          no external drivers. now its just duet! Failure to home still persist. IF type G1 S2 X100 F3000 machine says busy then nothing. Then 30 sec. later the distance reflects a move that didn't happen. Another 30 seconds and then it takes off and slams an endstop. Not even the axis I commanded. last time i tried, z went up then stopped and x went then stopped. the distance didn't change that time. that was a single linear request. This things just no good. Gonna need the warranty honored here.

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                                          • sjason1377undefined
                                            sjason1377 Banned
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                                            You wanna know why real cnc companys don't have forum and support groups? Because they don't have 1000s of confused unhappy costumers. If there is an issue the fix it. But it's rare they fail. Look for a Haas machine forum, or a Hurco support group. They don't exist. Because they don't need em. want my money back

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