Getting Started - Suggested Products
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I requested assistance on suggested products for building a system with expansive requirements and have been directed by the sales team to post my questions "here"
Hoping the group could provide some much needed feedback so I can make some decisions that will move my projects forward that require a motion control system.
I have been searching for a control system for one of my projects that need a motion control systems. I would like to zero this source to one supply.
Details
I am looking for a controller for my cross-core 3d printer application to be connective via an ethernet or wireless (wifi) connection; with expansion to control/slave future multi material units, and nozzle changers. (I am designing these to be utilized on a machine network such as Ether/IP, CAN or modbus: Please advise products with this in mind.)I have a personal deadline to make a decision on a source this month and looking for a list of parts to control a minimum of: (The system will implement servos for the motion-axis, and may be Teknik ClearPath PN: CPM-SDSK-2310S-RLN)
• Emergency Stop Onput
• 8 motors minimum as step & direction, (x, y, z, Ext motors) (homing switches for x,y&x)
• Servo Extruder (please advise on your motion control products)
• Extruder-nozzle-melt-zone heater & temperature sensor
• Extruder-cool-zone cooler/fan & temperature sensor
• Bed heater & temperature sensor
• Filament-present sensor, 2x (Feed-inlet, Extruder-Inlet)
• Bed level touch-probe
• Nozzle Strain-gage, (flow monitoring)
• Part Cooling Fan, 2x
• 4-inch-minimum, Touch Screen HMI (please advise on a product from your store that meets these minimum needs)I am hoping you can provide me a neat list of what I would need for the minimum. If there is another device that seems to be missing, please feel free to expand and shrink items per your discretion with reason’s indicated.
Thanks a lot for your time, I look forward to your response!
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I'm not totally clear about what you're looking for, but the Duet3 ecosystem of canbus-connected control boards is likely to fit your needs.
A Duet3 6XD as mainboard and any number of toolboards or expansions more specifically since you're aiming for servos rather than steppers.
https://docs.duet3d.com/en/Duet3D_hardware/Duet_3_family
Do you have any specific questions?
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Thanks alot for your input!
More specifically the above is sorta an explanation of the desired controls/integration points for my system.
The controls on this machine are not existent, So I am looking for a kit.
I do not see product/catalog item as "kit", so I am looking for a a list of recommended parts to create a controllable moving system:
IE-
. Mother board, (part-number-here)
. HMI, (part-number-here)
. Sensor(s), (part-number-here)
. Interface Board "Ethernet", (part-number-here)
. Expansion board(s), (part-number-here)
(or other items deemed desirable to obtain/purchase).The goal is to assemble this said kit and being programming , trouble shooting the designs of the motion system and sub assemblies.
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@XYZMechanical If you were serious, you would have to dig through specifications in order to get an understanding of how components (part number here) play their roles in a complex technical system (part number here). Your ”projects” (oh well, not just one) are pure fantasy, you don’t even invest own thoughts (part numbers unknown), for an obvious reason: it’s more convenient to use our brains instead. Before you ever ”assemble this said kit” and ”trouble shoot” the ”motion system”, look for your own ”sub assemblies” and see if you can make them to work like any human around here. And no, I’m too polite to tell you where to put your part numbers.
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@infiniteloop thanks alot for your feedback, it was well received.
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Scope out some builds online first – helps you figure out which gear actually works before buying stuff. good luck.
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Thanks alot guys; i was expecting someone from sales that knows the product inside and out to reach out to me. i'm a little disappointed about that BUT it seems there is ALOT of people here that have used Duet 3d products with only success as the final result. I have extended my deadlines to find a solution, hopefully Duet 3d products are in them in the future.
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i was expecting someone from sales that knows the product inside and out to reach out to me.
In order to configure a complex machinery out of unspecified mechanics and controllers (consisting of both hard- and software), you can’t simply ask a salesman to fill your shopping cart with some of his products. To be able to make a serious offer, the guys at DUET3D need to understand your product idea to a considerable technical depth.
Your request reminds me of students who are tasked with a purely hypothetical project by their tutor - as there is no real ”beef”, they have no idea of neither mechanics nor electronics. No specs, no knowledge, no „thing“ to talk about. So what you ask for is some unspecified electronics which can interact with - technically spoken - a ”nothing” or ”void”.
If you have a business idea, you either know a lot of details - that’s what the DUET3D sales department needs to know to give good advice on their products. Or you need someone who can develop the idea up to the point where it can materialise in the head of your counterpart on the Duet side of the counter.
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@XYZMechanical said in Getting Started - Suggested Products:
I am looking for a controller for my cross-core 3d printer application to be connective via an ethernet or wireless (wifi) connection; with expansion to control/slave future multi material units, and nozzle changers. (I am designing these to be utilized on a machine network such as Ether/IP, CAN or modbus: Please advise products with this in mind.)
I have a personal deadline to make a decision on a source this month and looking for a list of parts to control a minimum of: (The system will implement servos for the motion-axis, and may be Teknik ClearPath PN: CPM-SDSK-2310S-RLN)
• Emergency Stop Onput
• 8 motors minimum as step & direction, (x, y, z, Ext motors) (homing switches for x,y&x)
• Servo Extruder (please advise on your motion control products)
• Extruder-nozzle-melt-zone heater & temperature sensor
• Extruder-cool-zone cooler/fan & temperature sensor
• Bed heater & temperature sensor
• Filament-present sensor, 2x (Feed-inlet, Extruder-Inlet)
• Bed level touch-probe
• Nozzle Strain-gage, (flow monitoring)
• Part Cooling Fan, 2x
• 4-inch-minimum, Touch Screen HMI (please advise on a product from your store that meets these minimum needs)- What draws you to the Teknik ClearPath solution? Motor selection is complicated, but you'll know best. In my opinion, a solution that allows for native closed loop control would be the stepper motors of your choice, with suitable encoders, and the Duet3 1HCL expansion boards. This allows for native closed loop tuning and control, without having to output step/dir/enable to a seperate control system. The 1HCL, like many of the Duet3 line of products, connects to a Duet3 mainboard via CAN-FD. https://docs.duet3d.com/Duet3D_hardware/Duet_3_family/Duet_3_Expansion_1HCL
- DuetWebControl (web browser) has an emergency stop button. You can read more about DWC here: https://docs.duet3d.com/User_manual/Reference/Duet_Web_Control_Manual
- You can control a closed loop stepper motor for an extruder using the 1HCL expansion board. Duet does not have a product to natively drive DC or BLDC motors, but if you had a seperate controller that accepts step/dir, you could then use the Duet3 1XD.https://docs.duet3d.com/Duet3D_hardware/Duet_3_family/Duet_3_Expansion_1XD
- You can use nearly any sensor of your choosing, so long as you read the sensor interface and the corresponding Duet documentation. Your extruder temperature needs will depend on what you aim to print, and what sort of hotend you select. https://docs.duet3d.com/User_manual/Connecting_hardware/Temperature_choosing
- You can control a bed heater (and/or chamber heater(s)), be it AC (through a separate SSR) or DC, with a Duet board easily. https://docs.duet3d.com/User_manual/Connecting_hardware/Heaters_overview
- Duet boards have a variety of fan headers, and can drive a variety of fans.
- Duet offers a touchscreen (Duet PanelDue), but IMO is a touch dated. I believe a refreshed product is on the horizon.
The Duet 3 6HC is a great mainboard, with plenty of I/O. https://docs.duet3d.com/Duet3D_hardware/Duet_3_family/Duet_3_Mainboard_6HC_Hardware_Overview
