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    • dragonnundefined
      dragonn
      last edited by

      Are you using toothed pulleys where they are need?

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      • kuhnikuehnastundefined
        kuhnikuehnast
        last edited by

        yes. toothed on the belt side, flat on the "flat side" 🙂

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        • mloidlundefined
          mloidl @kuhnikuehnast
          last edited by mloidl

          @kuhnikuehnast

          I also own a Hypercube Evolution and i never had this problem.

          Biggest difference to mine is that i'm using microstepping.
          Maybe you can give it a try.

          You should also check if your pulleys on the motors are wobbling a little bit.

          Regards,
          Martin

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          • makerdiseundefined
            makerdise
            last edited by

            We (Jan, makerdise managing director) also did some analyzes with Denis, however there seems to be no mechanical influence as we already did test the most common/known cases.

            Especially we don't believe that the pulleys do influence the behaviour as they were changed, optimized by hand etc. without any visible changes in the pattern. Denis did measure on multiple points, the rods seems to be stable enough to handle the belt length. In conclusion, the stuttering can be caused by soft- or hardware issues related to the activation of the related drivers.

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            • makerdiseundefined
              makerdise @mloidl
              last edited by

              @mloidl - we already did try quarter steps, anyway thanks a lot for your input...

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              • mloidlundefined
                mloidl @makerdise
                last edited by

                @makerdise

                Just saw it, was confused because of the 80Steps/mm. So you're using 1,8°/step motors. Thats different to mine.

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                • makerdiseundefined
                  makerdise
                  last edited by

                  Yes, 1.8°, I think from OMC @kuhnikuehnast please post a link...

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                  • kuhnikuehnastundefined
                    kuhnikuehnast
                    last edited by

                    here, these are the motors I used. (don't have the data sheet of the stock of the Anet A8 I also tried)

                    https://www.omc-stepperonline.com/de/hybridschrittmotor/nema-17-bipolar-59ncm-84ozin-2a-42x48mm-4-drähte-w-1m-kabel-and-verbinder-17hs19-2004s1.html?search=17HS19-2004S1

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                    • makerdiseundefined
                      makerdise
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                      @kuhnikuehnast

                      https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Choosing_and_connecting_stepper_motors#Section_Back_emf_due_to_rotation

                      Rechne mal gegen, Back EMF

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                      • kuhnikuehnastundefined
                        kuhnikuehnast
                        last edited by

                        0_1526389989466_2ad6aa29-8448-49e8-80a1-5cef0dfbc985-image.png

                        So seems that I could go for a 350 mm/s speed until the torque starts to drop with the stepper motors I own... The videos linked in the first post are performed at a speed of 6000 mm/min (100 mm/s)

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                        • makerdiseundefined
                          makerdise @kuhnikuehnast
                          last edited by

                          @kuhnikuehnast 👍

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                          • Neoxioundefined
                            Neoxio
                            last edited by Neoxio

                            Hi,

                            try:

                            M201 X1000 Y1000 Z250 E600
                            M203 X12000 Y12000 Z1800 E3600
                            M204 P1500 T2500

                            and try to print a test cube @ 30mm/s max. 40mm/s, show some pictures.

                            Greetings

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                            • kuhnikuehnastundefined
                              kuhnikuehnast
                              last edited by

                              Started printing. But The M204 seems to be very fast for my Z-axis? As I own a Nimble (30:1 ratio) i left the M201 at 120 as recommended by zesty.

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                              • Neoxioundefined
                                Neoxio
                                last edited by Neoxio

                                U mean M203? there is no Z parameter for M204... The Z parameter is from your config u posted before 🙂 I would set it to Z680 or 720 depends on your Z axis setup, weight of the heatbed ect... Using pressure advance u schould set your jerk min. to 600 so mayby try to turn off pressure advance too.

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                                • kuhnikuehnastundefined
                                  kuhnikuehnast
                                  last edited by kuhnikuehnast

                                  With M204 you set the travel acceleration. Isn't this also then used for the z-axis?
                                  I also tried prints with Pressure advanced off before...
                                  This is the "cube" I printed in vase mode at 40 mm/s:

                                  0_1526394426565_eb178a7a-0c6d-4b83-9507-3c4911207209-image.png

                                  Results are almost the same:
                                  0_1526394622484_20180515_162534 (Large).jpg :

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                                  • Neoxioundefined
                                    Neoxio
                                    last edited by

                                    Do you have quality 3M belts or china? How about your hotend mount is it stable or wobbly.

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                                    • deckingmanundefined
                                      deckingman @Neoxio
                                      last edited by

                                      @neoxio said in Strange Ringing artifacts on coreXY:

                                      Do you have quality 3M belts or china? How about your hotend mount is it stable or wobbly.

                                      Check his OP - seems he's tried them.

                                      Ian
                                      https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                      https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                                      • Phaedruxundefined
                                        Phaedrux Moderator
                                        last edited by Phaedrux

                                        I had very similar ridges on my corexy and the solution for me was to replace the toothed idlers with smooth bearings and do a belt flip so the smooth side rode on the bearings. It seemed that the diameter of the idler was too small or the profile of tooth and belt mismatched enough that it wasn't meshing smoothly.

                                        Also, I recall a thread from not long ago where using very low steps per mm was causing motor movement to be less smooth.

                                        Just some thoughts

                                        alt text

                                        Here's an example of what I had.

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                                        • whosrdaddyundefined
                                          whosrdaddy
                                          last edited by

                                          Could be an extrusion problem.
                                          Add some pictures of the complete printer so we can have a better idea...

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                                          • mrehorstdmdundefined
                                            mrehorstdmd @whosrdaddy
                                            last edited by mrehorstdmd

                                            @whosrdaddy

                                            I second the vote for extrusion problem. Try changing the extruder motor current up or down 20% and see if the pattern changes.

                                            I've seen this in direct extruders with no gear reduction and relatively large filament drive gears.

                                            What kind of extruder is on the machine?

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