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    • Wyvernundefined
      Wyvern
      last edited by Wyvern

      Make sure there is no filiment in the nozzle and the hotend is at room temp, run M303 and configure the temp to the most often used temp, let it run, it will give you feedback, if it looks good throw out an M500 to save the new value. like this; M303 H1 S240 ; auto tune heater 1, default PWM, 240C target or maximum temperature.

      If you get an error about temperature over limit or something to that effect, lower your PWM rate- I have to run mine at 90% to prevent overshoot.

      If that is the case, in config g. under M307, change your S value below 1.0 (100%) Then run again.

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      • Phaedruxundefined
        Phaedrux Moderator
        last edited by

        It looks like under extrusion. Have you calibrated the e steps yet?

        What settings are you actually printing at?

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        • Tef9undefined
          Tef9
          last edited by

          Hi there,

          See below for config.g details:

          I'm using the new nozel X which is supposed to be polyphobic...it seems as clean as a whistle when I extrude, its a 0.6mm nozel.

          I am using an e3d set-up: Volcano with Bowden titan extruder.

          ~Config.g~

          ; General preferences
          M111 S0 ; Debugging off
          G21 ; Work in millimetres
          G90 ; Send absolute coordinates...
          M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
          M555 P1 ; Set firmware compatibility to look like RepRapFirmare
          M665 R155 L397.19 B155 H525 ; Set delta radius, diagonal rod length, printable radius and homed height
          M666 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Put your endstop adjustments here, or let auto calibration find them
          M208 Z0 S1 ; Set minimum Z

          ; Endstops
          M574 X2 Y2 Z2 S1 ; Define active high microswitches
          M558 P1 X0 Y0 Z0 H5 F500 T6000 ; Set Z probe type to unmodulated, the axes for which it is used and the probe + travel speeds
          M557 R150 S30 ; Define mesh grid

          ; BL-Touch
          M307 H3 A-1 C-1 D-1 ; reserve pin 21 for M42 or servo use
          M558 P9 X0 Y0 Z0 H30 F1200 T5000 ;P9 is a key BLTouch Value
          G31 P25 X0 Y0 Z1.5 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
          M557 R150 S30 ; Define mesh grid

          ; Drives
          M569 P0 S1 ; Drive 0 goes forwards
          M569 P1 S1 ; Drive 1 goes forwards
          M569 P2 S1 ; Drive 2 goes forwards
          M569 P3 S1 ; Drive 3 goes forwards
          M350 E32 I0 ; Configure microstepping without interpolation
          M350 X32 Y32 Z32 I1 ; Configure microstepping with interpolation
          M92 X160 Y160 Z160 E419 ; Set steps per mm
          M566 X1200 Y1200 Z1200 E1200 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
          M203 X2000 Y2000 Z2000 E1500 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min)
          M201 X1500 Y1500 Z1500 E1500 ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2)
          M906 X1800 Y1800 Z1800 E1500 I30 ; Set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
          M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout

          ; Heaters
          M143 S285 ; Set maximum heater temperature to 285C
          M301 H0 S1.00 P10 I0.1 D200 T0.4 W180 B30 ; Use PID on bed heater (may require further tuning)
          M305 P0 T100000 B4607 C8.950070e-8 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
          M305 P1 T100000 B4725 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1

          ; Tools
          M563 P0 D0 H1 ; Define tool 0
          G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Set tool 0 axis offsets
          G10 P0 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
          M207 S1.5 R1.5 F3000 T3000 Z0.5 ; Set FW retraction length and speed
          M572 D0 S0.01 ; Set pressure advance
          ;Pressure Advance M572 D0 S0.04

          ; Network
          M550 PTEVO Little Monster ; Set machine name
          M540 PBE:EF:DE:AD:FE:ED ; Set MAC address
          M552 P0.0.0.0 S1 ; Enable network and acquire dynamic address via DHCP
          M586 P0 S1 ; Enable HTTP
          M586 P1 S0 ; Disable FTP
          M586 P2 S0 ; Disable Telnet

          ; Fans
          M106 P0 S0 I0 F500 H-1 ; Set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
          M106 P1 S0 I0 F500 H-1 ; Set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
          M106 P2 S0 I0 F500 H-1 ; Set fan 2 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off

          ; Custom settings are not configured

          ; Miscellaneous
          M501 ; Load saved parameters from non-volatile memory

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          • Phaedruxundefined
            Phaedrux Moderator
            last edited by Phaedrux

            When you changed to a 0.6 nozzle did you also update the slicer settings to use a 0.6 extrusion width?

            And as I asked above, did you calibrate your E steps?

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            • Tef9undefined
              Tef9
              last edited by

              Yes to slicer, that was a simple one, Esteps? Do you mean steps per mm?

              Best,

              Andy

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              • Phaedruxundefined
                Phaedrux Moderator @Tef9
                last edited by

                @tef9 yes. If you were using a different sized nozzle before switching to the 0.6 nozzle x the steps per mm for the extruder may be different. You may also need to adjust the filament flow factor in the slicer.

                That could account for the under exteruded look of the parts.

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                • DocTruckerundefined
                  DocTrucker
                  last edited by DocTrucker

                  What is the extruder? 1500mm/min max speed and 1500mm/sec2 acceleration seems low for a 1.5A stepper?

                  Judging by 419 steps per mm on the extrusion axis this is a geared extruder. Should be capable of higher speed and accelerations or these values will restrict the effectiveness of the retractions.

                  As others say though, it appears under extruded and occasional PID tunes are worth while. I will now go read up on autotuning as I tend to do it with filament in the hotend!

                  Edit: Just seen standard shipment for the Tevo LM is an E3D Titan. dc42 runs with them so may be able to pull acceleration and jerk settings from his recommendations in posts on this forum.

                  Running 3 P3Steel with Duet 2. Duet 3 on the shelf looking for a suitable machine. One first generation Duet in a Logo/Turtle style robot!

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                  • DocTruckerundefined
                    DocTrucker
                    last edited by DocTrucker

                    I've not used a delta but those acceleration settings seem conservative on the other axis too.

                    Running 3 P3Steel with Duet 2. Duet 3 on the shelf looking for a suitable machine. One first generation Duet in a Logo/Turtle style robot!

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                    • Tef9undefined
                      Tef9
                      last edited by

                      Hello,

                      Thank you for all the replys - so far I have :

                      1. Updated the values for acceleration etc..

                      2. Tuned the H1 heater and added the M307 to the config.g

                      3. Worked out the steps per and changed it as required in the config.g

                      By printing the same part there is a greater density, also the filament is not...shiny when printed? The print on the right is the new print, the print on the left is the same as yesterday.

                      Could this be temperature or retraction?

                      0_1549920735170_Print2_Retraction issue.jpg

                      ; Configuration file for Duet Ethernet (firmware version 1.17)
                      ; executed by the firmware on start-up
                      ;
                      ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool on Mon May 22 2017 22:56:20 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)

                      ; General preferences
                      M111 S0 ; Debugging off
                      G21 ; Work in millimetres
                      G90 ; Send absolute coordinates...
                      M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
                      M555 P1 ; Set firmware compatibility to look like RepRapFirmare
                      M665 R170 L397.19 B155 H525 ; Set delta radius, diagonal rod length, printable radius and homed height
                      M666 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Put your endstop adjustments here, or let auto calibration find them
                      M208 Z0 S1 ; Set minimum Z

                      ; Endstops
                      M574 X2 Y2 Z2 S1 ; Define active high microswitches
                      M558 P1 X0 Y0 Z0 H5 F500 T6000 ; Set Z probe type to unmodulated, the axes for which it is used and the probe + travel speeds
                      M557 R150 S30 ; Define mesh grid

                      ; BL-Touch
                      M307 H3 A-1 C-1 D-1 ; reserve pin 21 for M42 or servo use
                      M558 P9 X0 Y0 Z0 H30 F1200 T5000 ;P9 is a key BLTouch Value
                      G31 P25 X0 Y0 Z1.5 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
                      M557 R150 S30 ; Define mesh grid

                      ; Drives
                      M569 P0 S1 ; Drive 0 goes forwards
                      M569 P1 S1 ; Drive 1 goes forwards
                      M569 P2 S1 ; Drive 2 goes forwards
                      M569 P3 S1 ; Drive 3 goes forwards
                      M350 E32 I0 ; Configure microstepping without interpolation
                      M350 X32 Y32 Z32 I1 ; Configure microstepping with interpolation
                      M92 X160 Y160 Z160 E842 ; Set steps per mm
                      M566 X2000 Y2000 Z2000 E2000 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                      M203 X2500 Y2500 Z2500 E2500 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                      M201 X2500 Y2500 Z2500 E2500 ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                      M906 X1800 Y1800 Z1800 E1500 I30 ; Set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
                      M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout

                      ; Heaters
                      M143 S285 ; Set maximum heater temperature to 285C
                      M301 H0 S1.00 P10 I0.1 D200 T0.4 W180 B30 ; Use PID on bed heater (may require further tuning)
                      M305 P0 T100000 B4607 C8.950070e-8 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
                      M305 P1 T100000 B4725 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1
                      M307 H1 A330.8 C243.9 D1.8 B0

                      ; Tools
                      M563 P0 D0 H1 ; Define tool 0
                      G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Set tool 0 axis offsets
                      G10 P0 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
                      M207 S1.5 R1.5 F3000 T3000 Z0.5 ; Set FW retraction length and speed
                      M572 D0 S0.01 ; Set pressure advance
                      ;Pressure Advance M572 D0 S0.04

                      ; Network
                      M550 PTEVO Little Monster ; Set machine name
                      M540 PBE:EF:DE:AD:FE:ED ; Set MAC address
                      M552 P0.0.0.0 S1 ; Enable network and acquire dynamic address via DHCP
                      M586 P0 S1 ; Enable HTTP
                      M586 P1 S0 ; Disable FTP
                      M586 P2 S0 ; Disable Telnet

                      ; Fans
                      M106 P0 S0 I0 F500 H-1 ; Set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
                      M106 P1 S0 I0 F500 H-1 ; Set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
                      M106 P2 S0 I0 F500 H-1 ; Set fan 2 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off

                      ; Custom settings are not configured

                      ; Miscellaneous
                      M501 ; Load saved parameters from non-volatile memory

                      
                      Best,
                      
                      Andy
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                      • Phaedruxundefined
                        Phaedrux Moderator
                        last edited by

                        A 0.6 volcano is going to drool quite a bit, but it looks quite extreme in the photo. Is retraction even turned on in the slicer? Are you using combing? What slicer are you using?

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                        • Tef9undefined
                          Tef9
                          last edited by

                          Hi,

                          I am using Slic3r, I did have retraction set there but it seemed to make more mischief than expected. Should it be set in both firmware and slicer? I can up the firmware setting and try that.

                          Best,

                          Andy

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                          • Vetiundefined
                            Veti
                            last edited by

                            @tef9 said in Print issues, is this still retraction?:

                            M350 X32 Y32 Z32 I1

                            This does not work on the Duet ethernet. It says so in the Gcode documentation

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                            • Wyvernundefined
                              Wyvern @Phaedrux
                              last edited by Wyvern

                              @phaedrux
                              I used a .6 volcano exclusively for a couple months and probably 15 lbs of filament.

                              I found fast retractions work better around 70mm/s, I really didn't have much of a dribbling issue- this was on a stupid ramps board too.

                              I also never used combing and still don't, I just retract on layer change.

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                              • Tef9undefined
                                Tef9
                                last edited by

                                I'm still stumped and get lines across the part...does the firmware retraction not work?

                                Best,

                                Andy

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                                • Phaedruxundefined
                                  Phaedrux Moderator
                                  last edited by

                                  For firmware retraction to work it has to be enabled in the slicer. It varies between the slicers on how to do this.

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                                  • Tef9undefined
                                    Tef9
                                    last edited by Tef9

                                    Opps, did not know that, thought it "just did it" when retracting.
                                    So now things are looking better 🙂

                                    Edit, does the firmware limit the retraction? If you have firmware set to 4mm is that the most you can retract?

                                    Best,

                                    Andy

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                                    • Phaedruxundefined
                                      Phaedrux Moderator
                                      last edited by

                                      You can configure retraction completely with the M207 command

                                      https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/GCode#Section_M207_Set_retract_length

                                      You might find this helpful for tuning, especially if you have a PanelDue.
                                      https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/5993/firmware-retraction-tuning-with-macros

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                                      • Tef9undefined
                                        Tef9
                                        last edited by

                                        Thank you 🙂

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