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Print issues, is this still retraction?

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    DocTrucker
    last edited by DocTrucker 2 Nov 2019, 04:37 11 Feb 2019, 04:15

    What is the extruder? 1500mm/min max speed and 1500mm/sec2 acceleration seems low for a 1.5A stepper?

    Judging by 419 steps per mm on the extrusion axis this is a geared extruder. Should be capable of higher speed and accelerations or these values will restrict the effectiveness of the retractions.

    As others say though, it appears under extruded and occasional PID tunes are worth while. I will now go read up on autotuning as I tend to do it with filament in the hotend!

    Edit: Just seen standard shipment for the Tevo LM is an E3D Titan. dc42 runs with them so may be able to pull acceleration and jerk settings from his recommendations in posts on this forum.

    Running 3 P3Steel with Duet 2. Duet 3 on the shelf looking for a suitable machine. One first generation Duet in a Logo/Turtle style robot!

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      DocTrucker
      last edited by DocTrucker 2 Nov 2019, 04:42 11 Feb 2019, 04:41

      I've not used a delta but those acceleration settings seem conservative on the other axis too.

      Running 3 P3Steel with Duet 2. Duet 3 on the shelf looking for a suitable machine. One first generation Duet in a Logo/Turtle style robot!

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        Tef9
        last edited by 11 Feb 2019, 21:34

        Hello,

        Thank you for all the replys - so far I have :

        1. Updated the values for acceleration etc..

        2. Tuned the H1 heater and added the M307 to the config.g

        3. Worked out the steps per and changed it as required in the config.g

        By printing the same part there is a greater density, also the filament is not...shiny when printed? The print on the right is the new print, the print on the left is the same as yesterday.

        Could this be temperature or retraction?

        0_1549920735170_Print2_Retraction issue.jpg

        ; Configuration file for Duet Ethernet (firmware version 1.17)
        ; executed by the firmware on start-up
        ;
        ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool on Mon May 22 2017 22:56:20 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)

        ; General preferences
        M111 S0 ; Debugging off
        G21 ; Work in millimetres
        G90 ; Send absolute coordinates...
        M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
        M555 P1 ; Set firmware compatibility to look like RepRapFirmare
        M665 R170 L397.19 B155 H525 ; Set delta radius, diagonal rod length, printable radius and homed height
        M666 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Put your endstop adjustments here, or let auto calibration find them
        M208 Z0 S1 ; Set minimum Z

        ; Endstops
        M574 X2 Y2 Z2 S1 ; Define active high microswitches
        M558 P1 X0 Y0 Z0 H5 F500 T6000 ; Set Z probe type to unmodulated, the axes for which it is used and the probe + travel speeds
        M557 R150 S30 ; Define mesh grid

        ; BL-Touch
        M307 H3 A-1 C-1 D-1 ; reserve pin 21 for M42 or servo use
        M558 P9 X0 Y0 Z0 H30 F1200 T5000 ;P9 is a key BLTouch Value
        G31 P25 X0 Y0 Z1.5 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
        M557 R150 S30 ; Define mesh grid

        ; Drives
        M569 P0 S1 ; Drive 0 goes forwards
        M569 P1 S1 ; Drive 1 goes forwards
        M569 P2 S1 ; Drive 2 goes forwards
        M569 P3 S1 ; Drive 3 goes forwards
        M350 E32 I0 ; Configure microstepping without interpolation
        M350 X32 Y32 Z32 I1 ; Configure microstepping with interpolation
        M92 X160 Y160 Z160 E842 ; Set steps per mm
        M566 X2000 Y2000 Z2000 E2000 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
        M203 X2500 Y2500 Z2500 E2500 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min)
        M201 X2500 Y2500 Z2500 E2500 ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2)
        M906 X1800 Y1800 Z1800 E1500 I30 ; Set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
        M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout

        ; Heaters
        M143 S285 ; Set maximum heater temperature to 285C
        M301 H0 S1.00 P10 I0.1 D200 T0.4 W180 B30 ; Use PID on bed heater (may require further tuning)
        M305 P0 T100000 B4607 C8.950070e-8 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
        M305 P1 T100000 B4725 C0 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1
        M307 H1 A330.8 C243.9 D1.8 B0

        ; Tools
        M563 P0 D0 H1 ; Define tool 0
        G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Set tool 0 axis offsets
        G10 P0 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
        M207 S1.5 R1.5 F3000 T3000 Z0.5 ; Set FW retraction length and speed
        M572 D0 S0.01 ; Set pressure advance
        ;Pressure Advance M572 D0 S0.04

        ; Network
        M550 PTEVO Little Monster ; Set machine name
        M540 PBE:EF:DE:AD:FE:ED ; Set MAC address
        M552 P0.0.0.0 S1 ; Enable network and acquire dynamic address via DHCP
        M586 P0 S1 ; Enable HTTP
        M586 P1 S0 ; Disable FTP
        M586 P2 S0 ; Disable Telnet

        ; Fans
        M106 P0 S0 I0 F500 H-1 ; Set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
        M106 P1 S0 I0 F500 H-1 ; Set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
        M106 P2 S0 I0 F500 H-1 ; Set fan 2 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off

        ; Custom settings are not configured

        ; Miscellaneous
        M501 ; Load saved parameters from non-volatile memory

        Best,
        Andy
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          Phaedrux Moderator
          last edited by 11 Feb 2019, 21:47

          A 0.6 volcano is going to drool quite a bit, but it looks quite extreme in the photo. Is retraction even turned on in the slicer? Are you using combing? What slicer are you using?

          Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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            Tef9
            last edited by 12 Feb 2019, 08:22

            Hi,

            I am using Slic3r, I did have retraction set there but it seemed to make more mischief than expected. Should it be set in both firmware and slicer? I can up the firmware setting and try that.

            Best,

            Andy

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              Veti
              last edited by 12 Feb 2019, 09:17

              @tef9 said in Print issues, is this still retraction?:

              M350 X32 Y32 Z32 I1

              This does not work on the Duet ethernet. It says so in the Gcode documentation

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                Wyvern @Phaedrux
                last edited by Wyvern 2 Dec 2019, 17:10 12 Feb 2019, 17:10

                @phaedrux
                I used a .6 volcano exclusively for a couple months and probably 15 lbs of filament.

                I found fast retractions work better around 70mm/s, I really didn't have much of a dribbling issue- this was on a stupid ramps board too.

                I also never used combing and still don't, I just retract on layer change.

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                  Tef9
                  last edited by 12 Feb 2019, 20:48

                  I'm still stumped and get lines across the part...does the firmware retraction not work?

                  Best,

                  Andy

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                    Phaedrux Moderator
                    last edited by 12 Feb 2019, 20:57

                    For firmware retraction to work it has to be enabled in the slicer. It varies between the slicers on how to do this.

                    Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                      Tef9
                      last edited by Tef9 2 Dec 2019, 21:30 12 Feb 2019, 21:28

                      Opps, did not know that, thought it "just did it" when retracting.
                      So now things are looking better 🙂

                      Edit, does the firmware limit the retraction? If you have firmware set to 4mm is that the most you can retract?

                      Best,

                      Andy

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                        Phaedrux Moderator
                        last edited by 12 Feb 2019, 21:32

                        You can configure retraction completely with the M207 command

                        https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/GCode#Section_M207_Set_retract_length

                        You might find this helpful for tuning, especially if you have a PanelDue.
                        https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/5993/firmware-retraction-tuning-with-macros

                        Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                          Tef9
                          last edited by 12 Feb 2019, 22:09

                          Thank you 🙂

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