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    Veti
    last edited by 13 May 2019, 13:47

    VFA

    see
    https://github.com/MarlinFirmware/Marlin/issues/13529

    to fix it use 16 tooth pulleys and 0.9 degree steppers.

    Marcin1415 created this issue 30 Mar 2019, 20:10 in MarlinFirmware/Marlin

    closed Eliminate VFA's (Vertical Fine Artifacts) Huge quality improvment! #13529

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      dc42 administrators
      last edited by dc42 13 May 2019, 14:11

      What type of printer is it, and what are your axis steps/mm and axis motor microstepping?

      Is the pitch of the vertical lines exactly 2mm? If yes, do you have any belts that go around non-toothed idlers? If no, what is the exact pitch?

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        rikesh942018 @dc42
        last edited by rikesh942018 13 May 2019, 14:32

        @dc42
        Its a custom built machine, mostly made using machined aluminium plates and other metal components.

        • The Z is a 1204 Ballscrew.
        • It is hard to measure the lines but I would say they are about 2mm.
        • Axis steps/mm is: X80 Y80 Z800 E415 all with 256th Micro-stepping
        • Yes the belt does go around non-toothed idlers but only the back of the belt for X and Y axis and for the Z axis the Belt goes around both toothed and non-toothed idlers (back of the belt) and the pitch is 2mm.
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          deckingman @rikesh942018
          last edited by 13 May 2019, 15:09

          @rikesh942018 said in Lines on part every couple of mm:

          • Axis steps/mm is: X80 Y80 Z800 E415 all with 256th Micro-stepping

          Do you really mean that? Those values are fairly typical of something with say 20 tooth pulleys and a Bondtech or Titan extruder using 16X micro-stepping rather than 256 X. Did you mean 16X with interpolation perhaps? Or have you set steps per mm @16X then changed to 256X using M350 afterwards (in which case the firmware will recalculate the steps per mm to something like 1280 for 256X for the X and Y axes).

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            rikesh942018 @deckingman
            last edited by 13 May 2019, 15:15

            @deckingman

            Yep sorry, I mean't 16X with interpolation

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              dc42 administrators @rikesh942018
              last edited by 13 May 2019, 19:25

              @rikesh942018 said in Lines on part every couple of mm:

              @dc42
              Its a custom built machine, mostly made using machined aluminium plates and other metal components.

              • The Z is a 1204 Ballscrew.
              • It is hard to measure the lines but I would say they are about 2mm.
              • Axis steps/mm is: X80 Y80 Z800 E415 all with 256th Micro-stepping
              • Yes the belt does go around non-toothed idlers but only the back of the belt for X and Y axis and for the Z axis the Belt goes around both toothed and non-toothed idlers (back of the belt) and the pitch is 2mm.

              Vertical lines with exactly 2mm spacing, when you are using GT2 belts (2mm pitch) for the X and Y axes, are probably caused by belt teeth. If the lines were caused by inconsistent microstep size then I would expect the pitch to be a binary multiple of 0.2mm instead.

              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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                Phaedrux Moderator
                last edited by 13 May 2019, 19:38

                Are you talking about horizontal or vertical lines?

                Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                  rikesh942018 @Phaedrux
                  last edited by 13 May 2019, 20:18

                  @phaedrux @dc42

                  Sorry for the confusion, I am referring to this horizontal lines that are visible.0_1557778730244_12.JPG

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                    dc42 administrators @rikesh942018
                    last edited by 14 May 2019, 12:49

                    OK, that's called "Z banding". Do a search for that on any of the popular 3D printing forums and you will get lots of hits. The first thing to check is whether the pitch of the banding matches the pitch of your Z leadscrew.

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                      Veti
                      last edited by 14 May 2019, 12:53

                      but the vertical lines clearly visible on the red cube are VFA

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