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    • PuddingBaer91undefined
      PuddingBaer91
      last edited by PuddingBaer91

      There should be nothing loose.
      I use These ACT steppers:
      https://www.roboter-bausatz.de/2554/act-nema-17-schrittmotor-17hs5425l20p1-x2
      Current in Data Sheet is 3.1 Ampere
      It's in German i Hope Google can help

      Current ist set to 1300mA.

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      • Vetiundefined
        Veti
        last edited by

        see
        https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Choosing_and_connecting_stepper_motors

        So the usual practice is to set the motor current to no more than about 85% of the rated current. Therefore, to get maximum torque out of your motors without overheating them,

        also

        Duet 2 WiFi and Duet 2 Ethernet (maximum motor current 2.4A) => Stepper motor rated current <= 3.0A

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        • PuddingBaer91undefined
          PuddingBaer91
          last edited by PuddingBaer91

          Okay Data seems to be wrong on the Website. My Motor ist labeled with 2.5A

          https://photos.app.goo.gl/CSqKTi9TxJZBSTX27

          Should i ran the Motors near 85% ? 2A?

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          • Vetiundefined
            Veti
            last edited by

            @puddingbaer91 said in Requested speed is not reached:

            Should i ran the Motors near 85% ? 2A

            yes

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            • PuddingBaer91undefined
              PuddingBaer91
              last edited by

              Thank you i will try and Report. But can't Imagine that this causes the Problem because the Motors are already very Strong at 1.3 ampere...

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              • PuddingBaer91undefined
                PuddingBaer91
                last edited by

                tried with 2100mA but even with pa=0.1 the same sound but now only at high speed when printing infill. While printing slower the sound is now silent. Tomorrow i will try another stepper for extruder drive and report results

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                • PuddingBaer91undefined
                  PuddingBaer91
                  last edited by PuddingBaer91

                  okay also with another stepper (original from TronXY) i get the same sounds 😞 Only reducing jerk to 600 will result in good sound

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                  • deckingmanundefined
                    deckingman @PuddingBaer91
                    last edited by deckingman

                    @puddingbaer91 I say again that none of my 5 Bondtech BMGs make that noise. You said above that "there should be nothing loose" but have you actually taken it apart and checked?

                    Edit. The only reason why reducing "jerk" helps the sound is that it effectively reduces pressure advance so either don't use pressure advance at all or fix the problem with the extruder.

                    Ian
                    https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                    https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                    • PuddingBaer91undefined
                      PuddingBaer91
                      last edited by PuddingBaer91

                      Could you please Share a Video of your running Extruder? I de assemled my bondtech 100 Times also because switching Stepper Motor it seems all perfekt. Also the other Extruder (ultimaker Clone) Made These Sounds...it also makes this Sound with pressure advance = 0.1

                      Edit: i bought a bondtech BMG Clone to Check If Mine was faulty...

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                      • deckingmanundefined
                        deckingman @PuddingBaer91
                        last edited by

                        @puddingbaer91 said in Requested speed is not reached:

                        Could you please Share a Video of your running Extruder? I de assemled my bondtech 100 Times also because switching Stepper Motor it seems all perfekt. Also the other Extruder (ultimaker Clone) Made These Sounds...it also makes this Sound with pressure advance = 0.1

                        Edit: i bought a bondtech BMG Clone to Check If Mine was faulty...

                        Taken just a few minutes ago and uploaded to my google drive folder.

                        https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oEaL72FOPDlCzU3uTm2UajcCdYBtXVWL/view?usp=sharing

                        Ian
                        https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                        https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                        • PuddingBaer91undefined
                          PuddingBaer91
                          last edited by PuddingBaer91

                          thank you this is what i expect from my extruder 🐶

                          May i found the problem:

                          https://photos.app.goo.gl/Krb1Pd1MatLy46S57

                          look closely to the metal gears. I tightened the screw to max and loosen it till it is possible to move the plastic gear (just a little bit. As you can see the spring is on block (compressed fully). The gears are slipping 😤 if i loosen the srew much more this will also happen. I think this is not normal or what do you think?

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                          • Vetiundefined
                            Veti
                            last edited by

                            have you tightened the grub screw on the gear with the white gear?

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                            • PuddingBaer91undefined
                              PuddingBaer91
                              last edited by

                              yes checked that. Here is also a video with cover (second bearing) mounted.

                              https://photos.app.goo.gl/PoWPArpmCjFiu4kH7

                              metal gears still slipping

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                              • Vetiundefined
                                Veti
                                last edited by

                                take the one with the white gear apart and post a picture of the shaft and the grub screw.

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                                • deckingmanundefined
                                  deckingman @PuddingBaer91
                                  last edited by deckingman

                                  @puddingbaer91 AFAIK that white gear is a press fit onto the shaft and it looks like it might be slipping. Take it apart and clamp the shaft firmly, then see if you can move that gear. It's likely to get worse the longer you print because of the heat conduction from the motor which will soften the plastic and /or make it expand more than the shaft. If that is the case, then you could try a it of epoxy adhesive or contact Bondtech and see if you can get new gear/shaft assembly (but make sure that is the problem first).

                                  Edit - looks like we weer both typing at the same time.

                                  Ian
                                  https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                  https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                                  • PuddingBaer91undefined
                                    PuddingBaer91
                                    last edited by

                                    Commando Back, talked with bondtech Support and they told me it is designed for using with Filament loaded. Then they doesn't Slip. Reassemled and If i Turn the White Gear fast Back and forth by hand with Filament loaded There ist absolutely No Bad Sound. So i will try it again. If it is Not better i will do a Print without bondtech Extruder to Gear only Extruder stepper

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                                    • Vetiundefined
                                      Veti
                                      last edited by

                                      the white gear and and bondtech gear should never turn separately, even if there is no filament loaded.

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                                      • PuddingBaer91undefined
                                        PuddingBaer91
                                        last edited by PuddingBaer91

                                        i tried again but the same sound. So i unmounted the bondtech bmg and printed without it. The sound comes from the motor because it is skipping steps or something other is wrong with them.

                                        If i hold the motor shaft while printing lines without big speed changes i can't fix the shaft by hand. While fast and often print speed changes (infill) i easily can fix the motor shaft by hand also can turn the shaft in each direction by hand in spite of motor is working.

                                        I tried 3 motors (ACT, original tronxy and original e3d pencake) but all three acting the same. Also lowered the current of xyz to 800mA and let the extruder at 85% current but no change (may it's a little harder to fix the shaft)

                                        Do you know whats going wrong here?

                                        It's a 12V system with 360W power supply

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                                        • deckingmanundefined
                                          deckingman @PuddingBaer91
                                          last edited by

                                          @puddingbaer91 If you run M122 while it's printing, what is the reported voltage?

                                          Ian
                                          https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                          https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                                          • PuddingBaer91undefined
                                            PuddingBaer91
                                            last edited by

                                            @deckingman said in Requested speed is not reached:

                                            M122

                                            Supply voltage: min 11.7, current 11.8, max 11.9, under voltage events: 0, over voltage events: 0, power good: yes

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