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    • droftartsundefined
      droftarts administrators
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      @Shaun said in Cura 4.2.1 Config help:

      M203 X6000.00 Y6000.00 Z180.00 E1200.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
      Your Z axis is limited to 180mm/min (3mm/s), which I think is the stock setting; my Cartesian machine (though dual Z motors) is set the same, and your other motor settings are stock. It may be that you need to test if it can actually do these speeds; it's possible there's more weight on the Z axis, so it actually has to be lower. Or, as you've got 4000 steps per mm (0.5mm pitch on your Z leadscrew, I think), at full speed the motor has to do 6 revolutions per second to move 3mm; it may just not physically be able to do this.

      Try sending G1 Z10 F180 then G1 Z-10 F180 to check movement. If you do this at Z=0, you should be able to see if it returns to the same place. If it doesn't, try lowering the feedrate from F180 until it does move reliably.

      In Cura, the Z Hop speed is set to 10mm/s, which my delta can do, but my Cartesian machine definitely can't! But the config.g setting will limit it to 3mm/s. I don't usually have Z Hop turned on on my Cartesian printer, as the slow Z movement can cause as many, though different, printing problems as having it switched off.

      If this doesn't help, can you upload the gcode as @Danal suggested, then we can see what it's actually doing during a print.

      Ian

      Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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      • Shaunundefined
        Shaun @droftarts
        last edited by

        @droftarts said in Cura 4.2.1 Config help:

        @Shaun said in Cura 4.2.1 Config help:

        M203 X6000.00 Y6000.00 Z180.00 E1200.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
        Your Z axis is limited to 180mm/min (3mm/s), which I think is the stock setting; my Cartesian machine (though dual Z motors) is set the same, and your other motor settings are stock. It may be that you need to test if it can actually do these speeds; it's possible there's more weight on the Z axis, so it actually has to be lower. Or, as you've got 4000 steps per mm (0.5mm pitch on your Z leadscrew, I think), at full speed the motor has to do 6 revolutions per second to move 3mm; it may just not physically be able to do this.

        Try sending G1 Z10 F180 then G1 Z-10 F180 to check movement. If you do this at Z=0, you should be able to see if it returns to the same place. If it doesn't, try lowering the feedrate from F180 until it does move reliably.

        In Cura, the Z Hop speed is set to 10mm/s, which my delta can do, but my Cartesian machine definitely can't! But the config.g setting will limit it to 3mm/s. I don't usually have Z Hop turned on on my Cartesian printer, as the slow Z movement can cause as many, though different, printing problems as having it switched off.

        If this doesn't help, can you upload the gcode as @Danal suggested, then we can see what it's actually doing during a print.

        Ian

        Super, ill try drop the speed and also removing z hop.

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        • Shaunundefined
          Shaun
          last edited by

          Morning, ok so changed the speed and removed the rim. This time is printed but the layers where way to far apart leading me to the conclusion that my Z steps are way off.

          My Config.g
          ; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 2.03) ; executed by the firmware on start-up ; ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v2.0.3 on Fri Sep 13 2019 19:45:33 GMT+0100 (British Summer Time)

          ; General preferences
          G90 ; send absolute coordinates...
          M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
          M550 P"CR10" ; set printer name

          ; Network
          M552 S1 ; enable network
          M586 P0 S1 ; enable HTTP
          M586 P1 S0 ; disable FTP
          M586 P2 S0 ; disable Telnet

          ; Drives
          M569 P0 S1 ; physical drive 0 goes forwards
          M569 P1 S1 ; physical drive 1 goes forwards
          M569 P2 S1 ; physical drive 2 goes forwards
          M569 P3 S1 ; physical drive 3 goes forwards
          M584 X0 Y1 Z2 E3 ; set drive mapping
          M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
          M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z4000.00 E1222.00 ; set steps per mm
          M566 X900.00 Y900.00 Z12.00 E120.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
          M203 X6000.00 Y6000.00 Z180.00 E1200.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
          M201 X500.00 Y500.00 Z10.00 E250.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
          M906 X950 Y950 Z950 E950 I30 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
          M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout

          ; Axis Limits
          M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1 ; set axis minima
          M208 X280 Y280 Z350 S0 ; set axis maxima
          ;M557 X10:280 Y35:270 S12.6 ; Define mesh grid for full bed print
          ;G31 X-43.2 Y31.9 Z2.132 P25

          ; Endstops
          M574 X1 Y1 Z1 S1 ; set active high endstops
          ;M558 P5 X0 Y0 Z1 H7 F500 T4000 ; Set Z Probe to type Switch or Digital output where Z probe connector is used
          ;M31 P25 X0 Y0 Z1 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height

          ; Z-Probe
          ;M574 Z1 S2 ; set endstops controlled by probe
          M307 H7 A-1 C-1 D-1 ; disable heater on PWM channel for BLTouch
          M558 P5 H1 F500 T5000 ; set Z probe type to bltouch and the dive height + speeds
          G31 P25 X8.5 Y-50 Z0.38 ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
          M557 X5:205 Y5:205 S10 ; define mesh grid

          ; Heaters
          M307 H0 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
          M305 P0 T100000 B4138 R4700 ; set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
          M143 H0 S120 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
          M305 P1 T100000 B4138 R4700 ; set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1
          M143 H1 S260 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 260C

          ;Disable Heater to free up PWM channel
          M307 H7 A-1 C-1 D-1 ; disable heater for BLTouch

          ; Fans
          M106 P0 S1 I0 F500 H1 T45 ; set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on
          M106 P1 S1 I0 F500 H1 T150 ; set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on

          ; Tools
          M563 P0 D0 H1 F0 ; define tool 0
          G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
          G10 P0 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C

          ; Custom settings are not defined
          M501

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          • grizewaldundefined
            grizewald @Shaun
            last edited by

            @Shaun said in Cura 4.2.1 Config help:

            M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z4000.00 E1222.00 ; set steps per mm

            4000 steps per millimetre on Z looks like an order of magnitude too high...

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            • wilrikerundefined
              wilriker @grizewald
              last edited by

              @grizewald said in Cura 4.2.1 Config help:

              4000 steps per millimetre on Z looks like an order of magnitude too high...

              With the sole exception that he is using a M5 threaded rod. But yes, more common these days are TR8x8 lead-screws which have 400 steps/mm.

              Manuel
              Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
              with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
              My Tool Collection

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              • Shaunundefined
                Shaun @grizewald
                last edited by Shaun

                @grizewald said in Cura 4.2.1 Config help:

                @Shaun said in Cura 4.2.1 Config help:

                M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z4000.00 E1222.00 ; set steps per mm

                4000 steps per millimetre on Z looks like an order of magnitude too high...

                Aaaahh yes that should be 400. My fat fingers again. Will fix and test.

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                • droftartsundefined
                  droftarts administrators
                  last edited by

                  Funnily enough I use M5 rod on mine, so Z4000 looked right to me! I think I remember thinking "I wonder what a CR10 has for leadscrews?" at the time I wrote it, but then forgot!

                  @Shaun You can probably turn the speeds for Z back up now, as the motor will probably be able to lift the Z much faster now, assuming it has enough torque to move the Z that fast. But do test it at it's maximum speed.

                  Ian

                  Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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                  • Shaunundefined
                    Shaun
                    last edited by

                    Could this be it?

                    ;FLAVOR:RepRap
                    ;TIME:194
                    ;Filament used: 0.0936418m
                    ;Layer height: 0.2
                    ;MINX:131.371
                    ;MINY:132.221
                    ;MINZ:0.2
                    ;MAXX:148.663
                    ;MAXY:148.664
                    ;MAXZ:10
                    ;Generated with Cura_SteamEngine 4.2.1

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                    • wilrikerundefined
                      wilriker @Shaun
                      last edited by

                      @Shaun That just gives the minimum and maximum coordinates this print will reach for every axes. In this case your part is 10mm high according to these comments.

                      Manuel
                      Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
                      with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
                      My Tool Collection

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                      • grizewaldundefined
                        grizewald @Shaun
                        last edited by

                        @Shaun said in Cura 4.2.1 Config help:

                        @grizewald said in Cura 4.2.1 Config help:

                        @Shaun said in Cura 4.2.1 Config help:

                        M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z4000.00 E1222.00 ; set steps per mm

                        4000 steps per millimetre on Z looks like an order of magnitude too high...

                        Aaaahh yes that should be 400. My fat fingers again. Will fix and test.

                        And there I was feeling silly after wilriker's comment, but I was fairly sure that in all the pictures I'd seen of the CR10, it was using a lead screw and not a threaded rod.

                        I feel vindicated! 🙂

                        Hope it fixes your Z height problem.

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                        • wilrikerundefined
                          wilriker @grizewald
                          last edited by wilriker

                          @grizewald said in Cura 4.2.1 Config help:

                          And there I was feeling silly after wilriker's comment, but I was fairly sure that in all the pictures I'd seen of the CR10, it was using a lead screw and not a threaded rod.

                          Ooops! Besides being the wise-guy that I am sometimes (=most of the time 😂 ) I actually wanted to express that I think you were right. Sorry I did not bring that across. 🤦

                          Manuel
                          Duet 3 6HC (v0.6) with RPi 4B on a custom Cartesian
                          with probably always latest firmware/DWC (incl. betas or self-compiled)
                          My Tool Collection

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                          • Shaunundefined
                            Shaun
                            last edited by

                            Still struggling to get this resolved, any other ideas i could try? Thinking i should scrap Cura and try something else to see if it resolves the problem.

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                            • burtoogleundefined
                              burtoogle @Shaun
                              last edited by

                              @Shaun said in Cura 4.2.1 Config help:

                              Still struggling to get this resolved, any other ideas i could try? Thinking i should scrap Cura and try something else to see if it resolves the problem.

                              Can you please make the entire gcode file available, thanks.

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                              • Shaunundefined
                                Shaun @burtoogle
                                last edited by

                                @burtoogle said in Cura 4.2.1 Config help:

                                @Shaun said in Cura 4.2.1 Config help:

                                Still struggling to get this resolved, any other ideas i could try? Thinking i should scrap Cura and try something else to see if it resolves the problem.

                                Can you please make the entire gcode file available, thanks.

                                Hi,
                                Here’s a link to “CCR10_Golf_Green_Marker.gcode” in my Dropbox:
                                https://www.dropbox.com/s/j82sd95kngk4gjr/CCR10_Golf_Green_Marker.gcode?dl=0

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                                • burtoogleundefined
                                  burtoogle
                                  last edited by burtoogle

                                  Thanks for the gcode file. I can't immediately see any obvious issues with it. What exactly is the problem you are having?

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                                  • Shaunundefined
                                    Shaun
                                    last edited by Shaun

                                    alt text

                                    Its not pretty

                                    https://www.dropbox.com/s/5ygyad68k6alaa4/Photo 25-09-2019%2C 07 49 42.jpg?dl=0

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                                    • burtoogleundefined
                                      burtoogle
                                      last edited by

                                      Does look like a problem with scaling in Z. The gcode looks OK.

                                      Screenshot_2019-09-27_17-24-05.png

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                                      • droftartsundefined
                                        droftarts administrators
                                        last edited by

                                        @Shaun This gcode should only be 10mm high, but your axis looks like it has moved a lot further than that.
                                        Can you send these commands and report the output from the console: M92 and M350
                                        This should report the steps per mm and microstepping in use.
                                        Can you also post your current config.g and, because there's an M501 at the end, your current config-override.g
                                        Measuring how far a Z movement of 10mm moves the axis might be helpful too, as well as a picture of your Z rod with a ruler next to it for scale.

                                        Ian

                                        Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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                                        • Shaunundefined
                                          Shaun @droftarts
                                          last edited by Shaun

                                          @droftarts said in Cura 4.2.1 Config help:

                                          M350

                                          ; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 2.03)
                                          ; executed by the firmware on start-up
                                          ;
                                          ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v2.0.3 on Fri Sep 13 2019 19:45:33 GMT+0100 (British Summer Time)

                                          ; General preferences
                                          G90 ; send absolute coordinates...
                                          M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
                                          M550 P"CR10" ; set printer name

                                          ; Network
                                          M552 S1 ; enable network
                                          M586 P0 S1 ; enable HTTP
                                          M586 P1 S0 ; disable FTP
                                          M586 P2 S0 ; disable Telnet

                                          ; Drives
                                          M569 P0 S1 ; physical drive 0 goes forwards
                                          M569 P1 S1 ; physical drive 1 goes forwards
                                          M569 P2 S1 ; physical drive 2 goes forwards
                                          M569 P3 S1 ; physical drive 3 goes forwards
                                          M584 X0 Y1 Z2 E3 ; set drive mapping
                                          M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
                                          M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z4000.00 E1222.00 ; set steps per mm
                                          M566 X900.00 Y900.00 Z6.00 E120.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                                          M203 X6000.00 Y6000.00 Z180.00 E1200.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                                          M201 X500.00 Y500.00 Z10.00 E250.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                                          M906 X950 Y950 Z950 E950 I30 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
                                          M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout

                                          ; Axis Limits
                                          M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1 ; set axis minima
                                          M208 X280 Y280 Z350 S0 ; set axis maxima
                                          ;M557 X10:280 Y35:270 S12.6 ; Define mesh grid for full bed print
                                          ;G31 X-43.2 Y31.9 Z2.132 P25

                                          ; Endstops
                                          M574 X1 Y1 Z1 S1 ; set active high endstops
                                          ;M558 P5 X0 Y0 Z1 H7 F500 T4000 ; Set Z Probe to type Switch or Digital output where Z probe connector is used
                                          ;M31 P25 X0 Y0 Z1 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height

                                          ; Z-Probe
                                          ;M574 Z1 S2 ; set endstops controlled by probe
                                          M307 H7 A-1 C-1 D-1 ; disable heater on PWM channel for BLTouch
                                          M558 P5 H1 F500 T5000 ; set Z probe type to bltouch and the dive height + speeds
                                          G31 P25 X8.5 Y-50 Z0.38 ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
                                          M557 X5:205 Y5:205 S10 ; define mesh grid

                                          ; Heaters
                                          M307 H0 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
                                          M305 P0 T100000 B4138 R4700 ; set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
                                          M143 H0 S120 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
                                          M305 P1 T100000 B4138 R4700 ; set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 1
                                          M143 H1 S260 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 260C

                                          ;Disable Heater to free up PWM channel
                                          M307 H7 A-1 C-1 D-1 ; disable heater for BLTouch

                                          ; Fans
                                          M106 P0 S1 I0 F500 H1 T45 ; set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on
                                          M106 P1 S1 I0 F500 H1 T150 ; set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on

                                          ; Tools
                                          M563 P0 D0 H1 F0 ; define tool 0
                                          G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
                                          G10 P0 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C

                                          ; Custom settings are not defined
                                          M501

                                          10:29:39 AMM92
                                          Steps/mm: X: 80.000, Y: 80.000, Z: 4000.000, E: 1222.000

                                          M350

                                          ; config-override.g file generated in response to M500 at 2019-09-13 22:58
                                          ; This is a system-generated file - do not edit
                                          ; Heater model parameters
                                          M307 H0 A87.8 C796.7 D0.7 S1.00 V12.1 B0
                                          M307 H1 A419.9 C136.9 D4.1 S1.00 V11.9 B0
                                          M307 H2 A340.0 C140.0 D5.5 S1.00 V0.0 B0
                                          M307 H3 A340.0 C140.0 D5.5 S1.00 V0.0 B0
                                          M307 H4 A340.0 C140.0 D5.5 S1.00 V0.0 B0
                                          M307 H5 A340.0 C140.0 D5.5 S1.00 V0.0 B0
                                          M307 H6 A340.0 C140.0 D5.5 S1.00 V0.0 B0
                                          ;M307 H7 A340.0 C140.0 D5.5 S1.00 V0.0 B0
                                          G10 L2 P1 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
                                          G10 L2 P2 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
                                          G10 L2 P3 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
                                          G10 L2 P4 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
                                          G10 L2 P5 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
                                          G10 L2 P6 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
                                          G10 L2 P7 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
                                          G10 L2 P8 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
                                          G10 L2 P9 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00

                                          Microstepping - X:16(on), Y:16(on), Z:16(on), E:16(on)

                                          I have checked and when i send a +5 Z moves 5cm up.

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                                          • Phaedruxundefined
                                            Phaedrux Moderator @Shaun
                                            last edited by

                                            @Shaun said in Cura 4.2.1 Config help:

                                            M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z4000.00 E1222.00 ; set steps per mm

                                            Z4000 for the steps per mm is probably an order of magnitude too high for a CR-10. Z400 is likely the correct value.

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