minimum extrusion amounts
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Thanks. Not sure about that time out error, but no hiccups shown, so that's good I guess.
Are you sure of your nozzle size?
What are your print settings in the slicer? Layer height, extrusion width, print speed, etc.
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I think you need to increase your instantaneous speed setting for your extruder quite a bit...for my corexy printers with bondtech extruders I have them set at 2000 which for you using mm/sec would be 33. With it set so low it can affect your print especially if you try pressure advance. I would also up your acceleration on your extruder as well. I'm running mine happily at 2000.
Your max extruder speed is also rather low and I could see that causing issues with retraction and un-retraction since you are limiting it to 20mm/s.
Also, what's with the 1569 steps/mm for your Z? Usually they would be either 400 or 1600 for the common leadscrews.
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That's a good call. I noticed that too actually but forgot to mention it.
Try M205 E50 and M201 E3000 and M203 E3000
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@Phaedrux said in minimum extrusion amounts:
Thanks. Not sure about that time out error, but no hiccups shown, so that's good I guess.
Are you sure of your nozzle size?
What are your print settings in the slicer? Layer height, extrusion width, print speed, etc.
I'm certain of the nozzle, it's a couple month old microswiss 0.6 nickel plated nozzle, and I've only printed PLA with it. I've also tried the standard e3d 0.4 brass nozzle and had the same issue with other prints.
From the beginning of the print sliced with prusaslicer
; generated by PrusaSlicer 2.2.0+win64 on 2020-10-10 at 22:47:25 UTC
; Prusaslicer does not like odd number lines!
; external perimeters extrusion width = 0.68mm
; perimeters extrusion width = 0.68mm
; infill extrusion width = 0.68mm
; solid infill extrusion width = 0.68mm
; top infill extrusion width = 0.60mm
; first layer extrusion width = 0.80mmM107
M190 S55 ; set bed temperature and wait for it to be reached
M104 S225 ; set temperature
M98 P"0:/macros/startprint.g"
M109 S225 ; set temperature and wait for it to be reached
G21 ; set units to millimeters
G90 ; use absolute coordinates
M83 ; use relative distances for extrusion
; Filament gcode
M702
M701 S"PLA_4043D"
M703
G10 ; retract@Phaedrux said in minimum extrusion amounts:
That's a good call. I noticed that too actually but forgot to mention it.
Try M205 E50 and M201 E3000 and M203 E3000
I'll try these but fair warning I had them around these levels previously with the same issue.
@JamesM said in minimum extrusion amounts:
Also, what's with the 1569 steps/mm for your Z? Usually they would be either 400 or 1600 for the common leadscrews.
Was 1600 I probably changed it trying to fix this issue, I'll switch it back.
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Try M205 E50 and M201 E3000 and M203 E3000
I'll try these but fair warning I had them around these levels previously with the same issue.
Ya just tried again, same issue. Could this be a stepper driver issue?
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@vishiano said in minimum extrusion amounts:
M98 P"0:/macros/startprint.g"
What do you have in this macro?
M701 S"PLA_4043D"
What do you have in that filament load macro?
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startprint.g
;M98 P"homeall.g" ;home axes
;G28 XYZ ;home xy
G32 ;adjust Z axis lead screws
;G29 S1 ;load mesh height map
G21 ; set units to millimeters
G90 ;relative positioning
G1 X20 Y25 Z0.2 F1500 ;move to the side of the printer
;M109 S200
G1 H0 X200 Y25 Z0.2 E30 F600 ; move in a straight line extruding filament
G10 ;retract
G92 E0 ; Reset extruder distancePLA_4043D
M291 P"Please wait while the nozzle is being heated up" R"Loading PLA_4043D" T5 ; Display message
G10 S215 ; Set current tool temperature to 210C
M116 ; Wait for the temperatures to be reached
M190 S55 ;Set the bed temperature to 55c
M291 P"Feeding filament..." R"Loading PLA_4043D" T5 ; Display new message
G1 E5 F600 ; Feed 10mm of filament at 600mm/min
G4 P1000 ; Wait one second
G1 E-1 F600 ; Retract 5mm of filament at 1800mm/min
G92 E0 ; Reset extruder distance
M400 ; Wait for moves to complete
M292 ; Hide the message -
@vishiano said in minimum extrusion amounts:
G32 ;adjust Z axis lead screws
What do you have in bed.g?
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@Phaedrux said in minimum extrusion amounts:
@vishiano said in minimum extrusion amounts:
G32 ;adjust Z axis lead screws
What do you have in bed.g?
; bed.g
; called to perform automatic bed compensation via G32
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; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.1.3 on Mon Jun 29 2020 01:54:12 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
M561 ; clear any bed transform
;G29 ; probe the bed and enable compensation
;G28 ; home
M98 P"homeall.g"
G30 P0 X460 Y250 Z-99999 ; probe near a leadscrew, half way along Y axis
G30 P1 X20 Y250 Z-99999 S2 ; probe near a leadscrew and calibrate 2 motors -
@vishiano said in minimum extrusion amounts:
M98 P"homeall.g"
You know what I'm gonna ask for next, right?
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; homeall.g
; called to home all axes
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; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.1.3 on Mon Jun 29 2020 01:54:12 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)M400
M98 P"homex.g"
M400
M98 P"homey.g"
M400
M98 P"homez.g"
M400; homex.g
; called to home the X axis
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; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.1.3 on Mon Jun 29 2020 01:54:12 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
;M400 ; wait for any current moves to finish
;M913 X30 Y30 ; drop motor current to 70%
;M400 G91 ; relative positioningG91 ; relative positioning
G1 H2 Z10 F2000 ; lower Z relative to current position
G1 H1 X500 F5000 ; move quickly to X axis endstop and stop there (first pass)
G1 X-5 F200 ; go back a few mm
G1 H1 X500 F500 ; move slowly to X axis endstop once more (second pass)
G1 H2 Z-10 F2000 ; lift Z again
G90 ; absolute positioning
M400 ; wait for moves to finish; homey.g
; called to home the Y axis
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; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.1.3 on Mon Jun 29 2020 01:54:12 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
G91 ; relative positioning
G1 H2 Z5 F2000 ; lift Z relative to current position
G1 H1 Y-505 F1800 ; move quickly to Y axis endstop and stop there (first pass)
G1 Y5 F6000 ; go back a few mm
G1 H1 Y-505 F360 ; move slowly to Y axis endstop once more (second pass)
G1 H2 Z-5 F2000 ; lower Z again
G90 ; absolute positioning; homez.g
; called to home the Z axis
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; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.1.3 on Mon Jun 29 2020 01:54:12 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
G91
G1 H2 Z10 F1000 ;move the bed down a bit
G90 ; relative positioning
G1 X250 Y250 F2000 ;move probe to centre of bed
G30 ;probe bedWhen I have extra time I'll have to write a script that dumps all this into a file for you
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@vishiano said in minimum extrusion amounts:
When I have extra time I'll have to write a script that dumps all this into a file for you
In the system tab of DWC you can click the check box to highlight all files and then right click and download as zip. Then you can extract the zip file and drag and drop those .g files onto the forum post window to upload them.
Now that we've chased down all the gcode being executed when the print starts we're at least sure something weird isn't getting changed without realizing it.
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@Phaedrux said in minimum extrusion amounts:
@vishiano said in minimum extrusion amounts:
When I have extra time I'll have to write a script that dumps all this into a file for you
In the system tab of DWC you can click the check box to highlight all files and then right click and download as zip. Then you can extract the zip file and drag and drop those .g files onto the forum post window to upload them.
Now that we've chased down all the gcode being executed when the print starts we're at least sure something weird isn't getting changed without realizing it.
That's good to know.
Whats the next step? Is it possible to set two motors as extruder for the same tool? If so I can at least see if that one exhibits the same issue hooked up to the mainboard.
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Yes you could map two extruders to a single tool and set a mixing ratio of 1:1
https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Gcode#Section_M567_Set_tool_mix_ratios
That should cause them both to extrude at the same time.
Do you have any photos of previously "good" prints?
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@Phaedrux said in minimum extrusion amounts:
Yes you could map two extruders to a single tool and set a mixing ratio of 1:1
https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Gcode#Section_M567_Set_tool_mix_ratios
That should cause them both to extrude at the same time.
Do you have any photos of previously "good" prints?
Added these lines, a quick test extruding shows both motors seems to be moving at similar rates. Here is what I added to my config.g,
M569 P0.4 S1
M584 X0.0 Y0.1 Z0.2:0.3 E20.0:0.4M563 P0 D0:1 H1 F0 S"1LC" ; Define tool 0
M567 P0 E1:1I was tuning pressure advance/acceleration resonance before this issue happened, here is a picture of one of my test prints.
About to run the print, I'll let you know if the 2nd motor seems to skip.
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@vishiano said in minimum extrusion amounts:
About to run the print, I'll let you know if the 2nd motor seems to skip.
Not definitive but the 2nd motor doesn't seem to exhibit the issue. The 2nd motor's motion also seems like it's smoother to me. I would think this narrows it down to either something on the toolboard, the hemera motor, or maybe something with the CAN connection.
I had a suspicion this would be the case so I bought another hemera motor and another toolboard this morning. I'm hoping they get delivered by Saturday so I can do some testing over the weekend.
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Those prints definitely look better!!
Please keep us posted on your progress.
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Sadly the replacement toolboard and hemera motor wont arrive till Monday. However I need to do a print for a friend so I tried hooking up the extruder motor to the Duet 3 mainboard instead of the toolboard. I then tried my stringing test sliced by prusaslicer that so far has failed to print every time.
Tons of stringing but then I designed it as a stringing test and it's also printed with a 0.6 volcano nozzle. I also probably need to redial in my settings after changing a ton of them trying to fix the issue. Surfaces look good and I didn't see any signs of the motor stuttering or skipping areas of the print. I think it's safe to say this is an issue with the toolboard. I'll be able to confirm once the 2nd toolboard gets here but I'd be curious if anyone has any suggestions what on the toolboard it could be. Maybe a bad stepper driver?
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Got the new motor and toolboard from filastruder.
I just tried the new motor hooked up to the old toolboard, I then tried to print my stringing test again and got the same issue on the same areas. I think I've ruled everything else out and this proves to me it's something with the toolboard.
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Did you try the new tool board too?
