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    code7 @fcwilt
    last edited by 2 Jul 2022, 05:26

    @fcwilt Ok - I'm using M950 S1 C"122.out0" but am still not getting motion. I'll double check my wiring again.

    Delta Printer Using a Duet 2 Wifi v1.04c, FW3.4.0beta2, Duet WiFi sever 1.26, Duet Web Control 3.3.0

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      dc42 administrators @code7
      last edited by 2 Jul 2022, 11:07

      @code7 when you say "servo motor" do you mean:

      1. A closed loop servo motor that takes step and direction inputs, typically used to control a machine axis; or
      2. A hobby servo with three wires, that takes 5V power, ground, and a control input?

      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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        code7 @dc42
        last edited by code7 7 Feb 2022, 17:35 2 Jul 2022, 17:34

        @dc42 It's a closed loop servo with an incremental type 2500-line quadrature encoder, 10,000 PPR.

        I double checked the wiring (single ended mode) and everything looks OK but I'm still having trouble turning the servo.

        http://www.leadshine.com/UploadFile/Down/ELD2-RS400 User Manual for overseas_20191226(V_1.02).pdf

        Delta Printer Using a Duet 2 Wifi v1.04c, FW3.4.0beta2, Duet WiFi sever 1.26, Duet Web Control 3.3.0

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          ShaunCro @code7
          last edited by 3 Jul 2022, 03:10

          @code7

          Your link doesn't work, and can't find it on the main leadshine site so here is the manualslib link

          https://www.manualslib.com/products/Leadshine-Eld2-Rs400-11165537.html

          Following this as I have to setup two EL5-400's soon with ACM604 motors.

          Lets just get one thing straight....

          You don't own a Delta! It's true, you don't!

          It owns you!

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            code7 @ShaunCro
            last edited by code7 7 Mar 2022, 05:40 3 Jul 2022, 05:39

            @shauncro Thanks for adding a valid link to the manual. After reading through more of the manual I'm seeing how much more complex driving a servo is than a stepper.

            If anyone can recommend a servo driver that you are having success driving with the 1XD please let me know as I am open to switching if it would simplify things.

            Delta Printer Using a Duet 2 Wifi v1.04c, FW3.4.0beta2, Duet WiFi sever 1.26, Duet Web Control 3.3.0

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              ShaunCro @code7
              last edited by 3 Jul 2022, 16:35

              @code7 I'll let you know how my setup goes, had them sitting in a box for a while, and finally have the time to get started. I'm running the 6HC though, so will be a bit different. Have you tried to use the leadshine tuning software?

              Lets just get one thing straight....

              You don't own a Delta! It's true, you don't!

              It owns you!

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                Marcossf @code7
                last edited by 4 Jul 2022, 07:46

                @code7 We sucesfull use Oriental Motor AZD-K series absolute enconder pulse-input type motor driver with a 1XD board.
                https://www.orientalmotor.eu/Products/Stepper_motors/Closed_loop_stepper_motor_packages/az_dc/?&filter1=Standard&filter2=60+mm&feld040=0&arid=22968&dwn=artnr

                Config example:

                ;######################### AXIS BOARD DRIVERS DECLARATIONS #########################
                M569 P40.0 S1 ; physical drive 40 goes forwards X
                M569 P41.0 S0 ; physical drive 41 goes backwards Y1
                M569 P42.0 S0 ; physical drive 42 goes backwards Y2
                M569 P43.0 S0 ; physical drive 43 goes backwards Z1 (Z)
                M569 P44.0 S0 ; physical drive 44 goes backwards Z2 (U)
                M569 P45.0 S0 ; physical drive 45 goes backwards Z3 (V)
                ; ############################## DRIVER PARAMETERS SETTINGS ##############################
                M584 X40.0 Y41.0:42.0 Z43.0 U44.0 V45.0 ; axis drive mapping
                M350 X1 Y1 V1 Z1 U1 V1 I1 ; configure axis microstepping with interpolation
                M92 X150.53 Y150.53 Z100.12 U100.12 V100.12 ; axis steps per mm
                M566 X900.00 Y900.00 Z500.00 U500.0 V500.0 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                M203 X18000.00 Y18000.00 Z12000.00 U12000.00 V12000.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                M201 X300.00 Y300.00 Z500.00 U500.00 V500.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                ;################################# AXIS ENDSTOPS #################################
                M574 X1 S1 P"!40.io0.in" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on X via pin 40.io0.in
                M574 Y1 S1 P"!41.io0.in" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Y via pin 41.io0.in
                M574 Z2 S1 P"!43.io0.in"
                M574 U2 S1 P"!44.io0.in" ; configure active-high endstop for high end on U via pin 44.io0.in
                M574 V2 S1 P"!45.io0.in" ; configure active-high endstop for high end on V via pin 45.io0.in

                1854b2c9-6e2d-4108-9d80-601fa42a0894-image.png

                1 - Step area defined in the axis as virtual "endstop"
                2 - Step and dir signals to motor driver

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                  code7 @ShaunCro
                  last edited by 6 Jul 2022, 16:20

                  @shauncro Thanks for keeping me in the loop. I haven't tried the tuning software yet. Maybe once I get the closed loop servo turning.

                  Delta Printer Using a Duet 2 Wifi v1.04c, FW3.4.0beta2, Duet WiFi sever 1.26, Duet Web Control 3.3.0

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                    code7 @Marcossf
                    last edited by 6 Jul 2022, 16:22

                    @marcossf Thanks for the detailed recommendation. I'll check it out.

                    Delta Printer Using a Duet 2 Wifi v1.04c, FW3.4.0beta2, Duet WiFi sever 1.26, Duet Web Control 3.3.0

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                      dc42 administrators @code7
                      last edited by 7 Jul 2022, 11:29

                      @code7 please share your config.g file.

                      Which axis do you want to drive with this servo motor?

                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                        code7
                        last edited by code7 7 Jul 2022, 17:29 7 Jul 2022, 17:14

                        @dc42 The closed loop servo is on drive 122.0 on the 1XD Exp Board. I'm able to turn the motor briefly until I receive the "Motor speed out of control" Alarm from the ELD2 servo driver.

                        This is how I have it wired:
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                        ELD2 Manual:
                        http://leadshineusa.com/UploadFile/Down/ELD2-RS70-- User Manual_2021_Ver1.09.pdf

                        Config:

                        G4 S2 ; wait a moment for the CAN expansion boards to start
                        ; Drives
                        M569 P0.0 S0 ; physical drive 0.0 goes backwards
                        M569 P0.1 S0 ; physical drive 0.1 goes backwards
                        M569 P0.2 S1 ; physical drive 0.2 goes forwards
                        M569 P122.0 S0 ; physical drive 121.0 goes backwards
                        M584 X0.0 Y0.1 Z0.2 E122.0 ; set drive mapping
                        M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E1 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
                        M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z400.00 E100.00 ; set steps per mm
                        M566 X1200.00 Y1200.00 Z24.00 E300.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                        M203 X9000.00 Y9000.00 Z360.00 E6000.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                        M201 X500.00 Y500.00 Z100.00 E5000.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                        M906 X800 Y800 Z800 E1200 I50 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
                        M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout
                        ; Axis Limits
                        M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1 ; set axis minima
                        M208 X235 Y235 Z260 S0 ; set axis maxima
                        ; Endstops
                        M574 X1 S1 P"io1.in" ; configure switch-type (e.g. microswitch) endstop for low end on X via pin io1.in
                        M574 Y2 S1 P"io2.in" ; configure switch-type (e.g. microswitch) endstop for high end on Y via pin io2.in
                        M574 Z1 S1 P"io3.in" ; configure switch-type (e.g. microswitch) endstop for low end on Z via pin io3.in
                        ; Z-Probe
                        M558 P0 H5 F120 T6000 ; disable Z probe but set dive height, probe speed and travel speed
                        M557 X15:215 Y15:195 S20 ; define mesh grid
                        ; Heaters
                        M308 S0 P"temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4092 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin temp0
                        M950 H0 C"out0" T0 ; create bed heater output on out0 and map it to sensor 0
                        M307 H0 B1 S1.00 ; enable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
                        M140 H0 ; map heated bed to heater 0
                        M143 H0 S150 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 150C
                        M308 S1 P"temp1" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4092 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin temp1
                        M950 H1 C"out1" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on out1 and map it to sensor 1
                        M307 H1 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater and set PWM limit
                        M143 H1 S275 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 275C
                        ; Fans
                        M950 F0 C"!out3" Q500 ; create fan 0 on pin !out3 and set its frequency
                        M106 P0 S0 H-1 ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
                        M950 F1 C"!out4" Q500 ; create fan 1 on pin !out4 and set its frequency
                        M106 P1 S1 H1 T45 ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on
                        M950 F2 C"out5" Q500 ; create fan 2 on pin !out5 and set its frequency
                        M106 P2 S1 H-1 ; set fan 2 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
                        ; Tools
                        M563 P0 S”Servo Extruder” D0 F0 ; define tool 0
                        G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
                        G10 P0 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
                        M563 P1 S”Tool1” F-1 ; define tool 1
                        G10 P1 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 1 axis offsets
                        G10 P1 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 1 active and standby temperatures to 0C
                        ; Miscellaneous
                        T0 ; select first tool

                        Delta Printer Using a Duet 2 Wifi v1.04c, FW3.4.0beta2, Duet WiFi sever 1.26, Duet Web Control 3.3.0

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                          jay_s_uk @code7
                          last edited by 7 Jul 2022, 17:36

                          @code7 you don't appear to have any driver timing on your M569. External drivers usually can't keep up the same way internal ones can. Try something like T5:5:10:10 as a first shout

                          Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                            ShaunCro @code7
                            last edited by 8 Jul 2022, 23:42

                            @code7

                            You need to choose whether you going to run high or low on the step/dir.

                            So typically you daisy chain the positive from the 5V+ and the have the Negative as the pulse input, so only they get connected to the corresponding pins. ENA is typically left unconnected from the documentation I have read on my drivers.

                            f46c9ae1-e4f5-465b-ae08-5d9b8ce3996c-image.png

                            I assume your driver also has a 25\26 pin D-Sub interface, if so, you only need to connect up the corresponding wires and leave the rest, as they aren't used in our instance. But, you may need to grab the software from leadshine to change a few parameters and ensure they are funning step/dir and not RS485 for communication.

                            Lets just get one thing straight....

                            You don't own a Delta! It's true, you don't!

                            It owns you!

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                              ShaunCro @ShaunCro
                              last edited by 9 Jul 2022, 04:05

                              @shauncro Nope, if I look at my user manual, I need a bit more. Fiddling and will post a bit later what I happen upon. But still getting everything up and running.

                              Lets just get one thing straight....

                              You don't own a Delta! It's true, you don't!

                              It owns you!

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                                code7 @ShaunCro
                                last edited by 10 Jul 2022, 00:11

                                @shauncro Leadshine contacted me and recommended the Differential Connection option wired as follows:

                                03335e0b-d1fa-4a88-86a7-0830baa00198-image.png

                                I tried this but it tripped the "Motor speed out of control" alarm right away even before sending a G1 command to turn the servo.

                                @jay_s_uk I added T5:5:10:10 to the config but I am still receiving the alarm.

                                Delta Printer Using a Duet 2 Wifi v1.04c, FW3.4.0beta2, Duet WiFi sever 1.26, Duet Web Control 3.3.0

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                                  jay_s_uk @code7
                                  last edited by 10 Jul 2022, 05:07

                                  @code7 can you share the full datasheet for the driver. Thanks

                                  Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                                    code7 @jay_s_uk
                                    last edited by 10 Jul 2022, 14:55

                                    @jay_s_uk Here is the full data sheet for the Leadshine ELD2 Driver:

                                    http://leadshineusa.com/UploadFile/Down/ELD2-RS70-- User Manual_2021_Ver1.09.pdf

                                    Delta Printer Using a Duet 2 Wifi v1.04c, FW3.4.0beta2, Duet WiFi sever 1.26, Duet Web Control 3.3.0

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                                      alankilian @code7
                                      last edited by alankilian 7 Oct 2022, 17:49 10 Jul 2022, 17:49

                                      @code7 said in 1XD Closed Loop Servo Setup:

                                      it tripped the "Motor speed out of control" alarm right away even before sending a G1 command to turn the servo.

                                      Wow, this is a pretty sophisticated servo controller. I'd like to know more about it in case I want to use one like it in the future. Can you share some more information about your setup?

                                      • What motor do you have connected?
                                      • What encoder do you have connected?
                                      • Are you configuring it using the RS232 or RS485 serial connection?
                                      • Did Leadshine supply you configuration software for a Windows machine?

                                      There seem to be a lot of things to get right before it's going to move at all, and then tuning the servo controller can get complex, but I think if you go step-by-step you'll get it running.

                                      I've designed servo controllers in the (long ago) past and have used many different types, so I'll try to help as much as I can.

                                      SeemeCNC Rostock Max V3 converted to V3.2 with a Duet2 Ethernet Firmware 3.2 and SE300

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                                        alankilian @code7
                                        last edited by alankilian 7 Oct 2022, 18:03 10 Jul 2022, 18:03

                                        @code7 said in 1XD Closed Loop Servo Setup:

                                        I tried this but it tripped the "Motor speed out of control" alarm right away even before sending a G1 command to turn the servo.

                                        Page 67 of your manual says this may be caused by:

                                        • UVW connection error
                                        • Encoder error

                                        Do you know that you have the motor U, V and W wires connected to the correct place on the driver?

                                        Do you know that the encoder is correctly connected to the driver?

                                        Sometimes, the motor has a connector that's perfect and things can't get out-of-order, but I don't know what you've got, so I' apologize if this is a dumb thing for me to ask you.

                                        SeemeCNC Rostock Max V3 converted to V3.2 with a Duet2 Ethernet Firmware 3.2 and SE300

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                                          code7 @alankilian
                                          last edited by 12 Jul 2022, 20:50

                                          @alankilian Thanks for looking into this. The motor is a Leadshine
                                          ELDM4010V24HL-B5

                                          bcc140ec-cfff-4560-9a11-15342ba4a5a5-image.png

                                          Here is the response from Leadshine: "Motor speed out of control " this Alarm is from 1XD controller.
                                          Please check controller electronic/PPR setting ,make it correspond to servo driver and machine transmission devices.

                                          I downloaded the Leadshine software to configure it but am waiting for an RS232 cable to test it out.

                                          I'm using the ELD2 Servo controller.

                                          Delta Printer Using a Duet 2 Wifi v1.04c, FW3.4.0beta2, Duet WiFi sever 1.26, Duet Web Control 3.3.0

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