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    • DeltaConundefined
      DeltaCon
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      @McAdam:

      โ€ฆThe idea I've had so far is to use a digital tire gauge caliper, it's inexpensive, fairly accurate, and has a built-in serial output.
      http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Digital-Tyre-Tire-Tread-Brakes-Shoe-Pad-Wear-Depth-Gauge-Caliper-0-25mm-/321762696307
      Reading the output with a small microcontroller (ESP8266) I can then adjust the flowrate.

      Nice idea, but would you press the gauge against the filament using a spring or something? I guess when a whole spool of filament passed this plastic toy, there would be a huge abraded hole in it. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      If you think trial and error is dangerous, try routine. That's even more so!

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      • dc42undefined
        dc42 administrators
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        I've just had notification that the prototype PCBs for the laser filament sensor are on their way to me from HK! I only ordered them last Sunday.

        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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        • Dougal1957undefined
          Dougal1957
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          That's good news David

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          • S1lencerundefined
            S1lencer
            last edited by

            Nice to hear.

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            • McAdamundefined
              McAdam
              last edited by

              @DeltaCon:

              @McAdam:

              โ€ฆThe idea I've had so far is to use a digital tire gauge caliper, it's inexpensive, fairly accurate, and has a built-in serial output.
              http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Digital-Tyre-Tire-Tread-Brakes-Shoe-Pad-Wear-Depth-Gauge-Caliper-0-25mm-/321762696307
              Reading the output with a small microcontroller (ESP8266) I can then adjust the flowrate.

              Nice idea, but would you press the gauge against the filament using a spring or something? I guess when a whole spool of filament passed this plastic toy, there would be a huge abraded hole in it. ๐Ÿ˜‰

              Idea was to have a small pulley attached to the end of the guage, (similar to pulleys found in extruders) so there will be no friction.

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              • McAdamundefined
                McAdam
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                @dc42:

                I've just had notification that the prototype PCBs for the laser filament sensor are on their way to me from HK! I only ordered them last Sunday.

                Great news!
                Is there still space on the Beta List?

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                • totalitarianundefined
                  totalitarian
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                  Sorry to jump in but what is the advantage of this compared to a simple micro switch?

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                  • adavidmundefined
                    adavidm
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                    @totalitarian:

                    Sorry to jump in but what is the advantage of this compared to a simple micro switch?

                    These monitors track the amount of filament passing through the system. You can use that to tell if the extruder drive is slipping, not just if there is filament present.

                    David has raised the possibility of auto-calibration of e-steps using the system, which would be very neat if it works.

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                    • totalitarianundefined
                      totalitarian
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                      Ah I see, very clever!

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                      • Qdeathstarundefined
                        Qdeathstar
                        last edited by

                        When will either sensor be available. I'm definitely adding a filament sensor to the printer I am building now and rather buy from the makers of the duet than some no-name AliExpress company.

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                        • dc42undefined
                          dc42 administrators
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                          I'm sorry, we can't give a date yet. I expect to have a few prototype laser filament sensors by the end of this week, which should put us on track to decide which version to manufacture at the end of this month.

                          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                          • dc42undefined
                            dc42 administrators
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                            First Laser Filament Monitor prototype.

                            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                            http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                            • darookeeundefined
                              darookee
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                              I'd buy one. Is there already an estimate for the price?

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                              • whosrdaddyundefined
                                whosrdaddy
                                last edited by

                                Would love to betatest one ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                                • S1lencerundefined
                                  S1lencer
                                  last edited by

                                  looks promising

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                                  • DADIYundefined
                                    DADIY
                                    last edited by

                                    Would look better in Blue. ๐Ÿ™‚

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                                    • dc42undefined
                                      dc42 administrators
                                      last edited by

                                      The production boards will be blue, these are prototypes so I accepted the default PCB options for fastest turnaround and lowest cost.

                                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                      • dc42undefined
                                        dc42 administrators
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                                        Laser filament monitor assembled:

                                        Installed and working on delta printer:

                                        During a test print using black filament (probably one of the worst cases), the average detected motion was 7% low, and the tolerance was quite wide at +44% - 32%. I know from earlier tests that the optical sensor has difficulty tracking fast moves when using black filament. To improve accuracy, we may need to compare actual vs. commanded motion only during printing moves, not during retraction and re-prime moves. Would this be acceptable?

                                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                        • botundefined
                                          bot
                                          last edited by

                                          Is there an LED illuminating the filament for the sensor?

                                          *not actually a robot

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                                          • DjDemonDundefined
                                            DjDemonD
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                                            Hi David, I'd say yes it would be acceptable to just monitor extrusion, it's a lack of (or excess of) extrusion that counts. This also simplifies which presumably improves accuracy.

                                            Simon. Precision Piezo Z-Probe Technology
                                            www.precisionpiezo.co.uk
                                            PT1000 cartridge sensors NOW IN, just attach to your Duet board directly!

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