Alternative to DWC with R.R.F. ?
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As per the title.
Is there any way the likes of Fluidd could be used in conjunction with R.R.F. ?
And yes i know i could flash my boards with klipper to use the common interfaces but that is not the question, even though it might be an avenue to explore now that the Duet-3-6HC is able to run klipper.
I personally find D.W.C is very old, clunky & bloated, and the colour choices remind me of my grannies 1960's living room wall paper, also it's very restricted nature for example no themes or EASY way to change colours (apart from the dark theme slider there is Nada),
And again yes I know of the plug-in "BtnCmd" but that is limited in what it can practically do.
Im not trying to bash anything or anyone before some pull start their keyboard to voice their overly protective political correctness..
I am asking a genuine question so see if its possible to make controlling a printer with R.R.F look as slick as it could be
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@Herve_Smith There is a plugin called BtnCmd or some such https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/22776/btncmd-dwc-plugin-customise-dwc-v01-02-07-17-09-23/221. It's on my todo list to give it a try but haven't got around to it yet.
There is also a HomeAssistant integration https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/30660/home-assistant-integration?_=1701017157152. This exposes some of the sensors to home assistant so you can use the native lovelace dashboards. I have tried this one and it kind of works but is limited in the number of entities that can be displayed. I was rather hoping the developer would leverage the native mqtt support but I'm not sure what the status of that is.
I do agree that DWC needs a makeover. My biggest gripe is the amount of unnecessary padding. I've given up making suggestions or asking for features because nothing ever happens (apart from moderators upvoting my posts which indicates to me that they agree).
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@Herve_Smith said in Alternative to DWC with R.R.F. ?:
Fluidd
Take a look at DueUI. I wouldn't classify it as "slick" but "slick" is a bit subjective anyway.
https://forum.duet3d.com/category/33/dueui
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@Herve_Smith
The DWC works for fine for me as does BtnCmd but I approach things with an open mind and a positive attitude.
They are merely a means to an end which is printing things and things get printed to my satisfaction.
Frederick
Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6
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@fcwilt said in Alternative to DWC with R.R.F. ?:
@Herve_Smith
The DWC works for fine for me as does BtnCmd but I approach things with an open mind and a positive attitude.
They are merely a means to an end which is printing things and things get printed to my satisfaction.
Frederick
Lucky you. It might be OK for simple machines but once you get multiple tools and / or multiple axes, DWC will show you either the tools, or the axes and fan controls but not both together, simply because it adds extra padding. This was pointed out in Jan 2022 and upvoted 3 times but nothing ever happened about it. https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/27067/request-to-reduce-the-amount-of-padding?_=1701032110157
I did find a work around which was to remove the additional axes and reconfigure the machine to have only a single tool
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@Herve_Smith all the panels of the dashboard etc are available to btncmd so although you can't add a button to a different screen than the plugin, you can recreate the main screen (or any screen) and add additional features.
Add in the ability to not jump to the status screen when starting the print, ability to hide the top bar and load to the plugin on launch (I think that's a feature). It can replace all screens in DWC with a little effort -
What do you mean about extra padding?
My E3D MS/TC with four tools displays everything that printer has.
How can I demonstrate the limits to myself?
Thanks.
Frederick
Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6
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@Herve_Smith said in Alternative to DWC with R.R.F. ?:
For example in Fluidd you can assign each instance a differing colour so when you look at the tabs you can choose/navigate to a particular printer based on the colours of the icon in the tab, with printers in double figures you can navigate to the desired printer very quickly.
You mean like this:
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Interesting.
Having multiple tabs at the top of the browser with the name of each printer showing seems a pretty easy way to navigate to multiple printers. No colors to remember, just the name.
Frederick
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@fcwilt Look at the post I linked to above. I posted pictures showing the extra and unnecessary padding that DWC adds.
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@deckingman I find even an IDEX display with two independent tools, a copy and a mirror tool, to be ... annoyingly space hungry. One time but one time only DWC decided to show and hide copy/mirror tool according to activation state, but it would still show the two independent tools and give me the same info in triplicate .... unfortunately, that seems to have been a fluke or a mirage, so I make do with all four tools showing all the time.
As to the OPs query, @Herve_Smith it should be possible (even relatively straightforward) to write a moonraker interface that uses the object model so one could use Fluidd or Mainsail (and KlipperScreen)... but nobody rose to that occassion. You would also need to run this on an extra system, so I guess the preference for standalone systems reduces the actual need to do this. Another option I know in use in at least one commercial environment is Repetier Server which supports RRF.
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Thanks for the update.
Just out of curiosity what is the screen resolution of your monitor?
Frederick
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@fcwilt said in Alternative to DWC with R.R.F. ?:
............. Just out of curiosity what is the screen resolution of your monitor?
1920 x 1080
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@deckingman said in Alternative to DWC with R.R.F. ?:
............. Just out of curiosity what is the screen resolution of your monitor?
1920 x 1080
Thank you.
I'm pretty sure you know but by going to a larger monitor with higher resolution you could enlarge the browser window the DWC is displaying in and get to see more information without scrolling.
Large high-res monitors are quite common and it is nice to have more "real-estate".
I'm working at the moment on a slightly-curved 34" Dell with res of 3440 x 1440.
But they can get crazy big like the Monoprice 49" curved with 5120 x 1440.
Frederick
P.S. You can also set the browser scaling value to see more information in the same screen area.
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@fcwilt That is a joke isn't it? Suggesting I buy a larger screen to compensate for the deficiencies of DWC. That's about as crazy as removing my additional axes and reducing the number of tools to compensate for the extra padding.
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No it is not a joke.
Having a larger screen with high resolution brings many benefits.
1920 x 1080 is rather "out-of-date", so to speak.
Just as TVs have gone from "1K" to 2K to 4K to 8K, computer monitors have also advanced.
It's obviously your choice.
Frederick
Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6
