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Setting up Cartesian Printer.

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    Zesty_Lykle
    last edited by 26 Oct 2016, 18:26

    Ah, great thanks Doug!

    Lykle
    Design, make and enjoy life

    Co Creator of the Zesty Nimble

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      Corexy
      last edited by 26 Oct 2016, 20:24

      @deckingman:

      That's good to hear. I'm thinking of switching from slic3r to S3D myself - just need to know if it can do 3 (or more) colour prints. It looks like it has some good features but might be a bit complicated for an old guy like me:)

      I'm an old bugger myself, and if I can use it I'm sure you can.

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        Zesty_Lykle
        last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 12:07

        I think I beat you all hands down. 60. Old enough to be the winner here?

        New version of S3D came out and they now specifically support multi extruder setups (3 and more)

        Lykle
        Design, make and enjoy life

        Co Creator of the Zesty Nimble

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          Dougal1957
          last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 12:47

          Lykle

          Unfortunately not Deckingman has that honour (I'll him admit to how much lol)

          AS for multi extruders they have supported them for ages just not the easiest thing to get your head arround the main issue here is the Firmware Retraction that is essential for mixing hotends such as the Diamond?

          Doug

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            deckingman
            last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 14:32

            @Dougal1957:

            Lykle

            Unfortunately not Deckingman has that honour (I'll him admit to how much lol)

            Doug

            I was born in year of our present queen's coronation.

            Ian.

            P.S. If you bothered to check when that was, you should be ashamed of yourself for not having anything better to do.

            Ian
            https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
            https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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              Dougal1957
              last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 14:36

              I know when it was Ian but Lykle is a dutchman in Cyprus LOL. and for his benefit it was 1953.

              Doug

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                dc42 administrators
                last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 14:47

                Perhaps we should start a club for Over 60's 3D printing enthusiasts? I'd be eligible too!

                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                  Dougal1957
                  last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 14:50

                  Well you would have to wait a few months till I'm Eligible David (Mar 2017 for me).

                  Doug

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                    iDevelo
                    last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 15:19

                    OMG - old farts club!

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                      deckingman
                      last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 16:11

                      @iDevelo:

                      OMG - old farts club!

                      No flatulence problem here son.

                      Ian
                      https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                      https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                        deckingman
                        last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 16:12

                        @dc42:

                        Perhaps we should start a club for Over 60's 3D printing enthusiasts? I'd be eligible too!

                        Good idea. Will that mean concessions get a discount on Duet products?

                        Ian
                        https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                        https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                          iDevelo
                          last edited by 27 Oct 2016, 16:16

                          @deckingman:

                          @iDevelo:

                          OMG - old farts club!

                          No flatulence problem here son.

                          🙂

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                            Corexy
                            last edited by 28 Oct 2016, 04:23

                            Steady on….I'm 47...which my sons assure me qualifies my entry into any old farts clubs.

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                              deckingman
                              last edited by 28 Oct 2016, 07:15

                              @Corexy:

                              Steady on….I'm 47...which my sons assure me qualifies my entry into any old farts clubs.

                              Nah, your just a young slip of a lad.

                              Ian
                              https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                              https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                                Dougal1957
                                last edited by 28 Oct 2016, 07:26

                                Still think we should push for an Age Concession Ian? (Very tongue in cheek LOL)

                                Doug

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                                  Corexy
                                  last edited by 28 Oct 2016, 07:50

                                  So I'm trying to dial in my extrusion properly.

                                  I've done the 100mm extrusion and am getting a constant and repeatable 120steps/mm for my extruder motor. Quite confident that is set correctly.

                                  My understanding is that once that is done, I need to measure the diameter and work out my extrusion multiplier for each different type of filament I use, and enter the value into my slicer (S3D in this case).

                                  I've entered the filament diameter (1.714mm, averaged over 5 points) and printed a single walled hollow test cube in 0.1mm layer height to measure the real wall thickness, which was set on manual 0.48mm.

                                  Came out very nice, but is 0.55mm thick.

                                  Is that excessive? How do I calculate my extrusion multiplier setting? It's set a 1.0 at the moment.

                                  If I divide the difference (0.07mm) into 0.48, I get 6.86.

                                  So do I just set my multiplier at 0.9314 and try it again?

                                  Does this setting work over all layer heights?

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                                    dc42 administrators
                                    last edited by 28 Oct 2016, 08:20

                                    I don't bother measuring the filament. I just put 1.75mm and extrusion multiplier 1.0 into the slicer, do a test print, and adjust the extrusion factor in the slider on the web interface to get good top solid infill. Then I make a note of the extrusion percentage shown in the slider, and use that value in future for that roll of filament. Ignore the single-wall thickness, it isn't a good test.

                                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                    http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                      Corexy
                                      last edited by 30 Oct 2016, 07:22

                                      @dc42:

                                      I don't bother measuring the filament. I just put 1.75mm and extrusion multiplier 1.0 into the slicer, do a test print, and adjust the extrusion factor in the slider on the web interface to get good top solid infill. Then I make a note of the extrusion percentage shown in the slider, and use that value in future for that roll of filament. Ignore the single-wall thickness, it isn't a good test.

                                      So I tried this and got these results.

                                      I did still have my own filament diameter entered, forgot to reset it to 1.75mm, but used the extrusion bar on the DWC to make adjustments on the fly.

                                      Percentages are written on them, which do you all like?

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                                        deckingman
                                        last edited by 30 Oct 2016, 09:39

                                        Personally, not terribly keen on any of them. Just for the hell of it, try dropping the extrusion in 5% increments until you get obvious under extrusion and see how the finish looks. This is the subject of another thread I've started but for some as yet unexplained reason, I'm getting best results using 70% extrusion with everything calibrated and triple checked. (Yeh, weird I know).

                                        Ian
                                        https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                        https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                                          Corexy
                                          last edited by 30 Oct 2016, 09:44

                                          @deckingman:

                                          Personally, not terribly keen on any of them. Just for the hell of it, try dropping the extrusion in 5% increments until you get obvious under extrusion and see how the finish looks. This is the subject of another thread I've started but for some as yet unexplained reason, I'm getting best results using 70% extrusion with everything calibrated and triple checked. (Yeh, weird I know).

                                          So these are all over extruded?? Definitely don't want to go higher than 100%?

                                          Funnily enough the ABS setting was definitely under extruded at 90%

                                          I probably was going a bit soft on the increments at 2% change per time, I'll try it a 5% changes.

                                          Your end of print script worked nicely by the way, cheers for that.

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