Having problems with Anycubic Kossel Linear Plus calibration

SnakeSP

Got PT100 sensor. So now i'm almost sure the nozzle temperature is shown correctly.
However i'm still not even near to solving the first layer problem...
Started from scratch and removed everything to defaults. Meazured Z probe trigger height. Strangely enough now it is 15.845 mm (but measurements are consistent at x0y0). But it is different at other points. So changed bed.g to reflect those differences.
Autocalibration showed:
Calibrated 6 factors using 16 points, deviation before 0.007 after 0.006
and was consistent after several attempts.
So i conclude that printer is now calibrated.
Out of PLA so moved to PETG at 60x240 for first layer and 60x220 at subsequent layers.
But when i try to print i get first layer smashed into the bed just as before. After 2-3 layers it delaminates from table.
Tried using babystep +0.05 - no changes except that first layer is not smashed into table that hard as before.
With babystep up to +0.15 got something looking like normal extrusion but it delaminated from bed also.
Really out of ideas once again...

Danal

Given the babystep, it sounds like you are close.

Try:

G28
G0 Z5
G1 Z0 F800

And see if the nozzle is JUST touching the bed. Paper should drag but not get stuck. If this is off, change the probe height and recalibrate. Keep doing this until paper just drags after the above three commands.

If this works, as a double check, starting from the Z0 above, enter more commands, to check at a different spot on the bed:
G0 Z5
G0 Y50
G1 Z0

Still "just touching?"

Let us know.

infiniteloop

@SnakeSP

With babystep up to +0.15 got something looking like normal extrusion but it delaminated from bed also.

It’s a good approach to play with babystepping until you get a proper first layer. @Danal is right, you are close. And don’t be shy to go even higher: sometimes it is better to lay the filament smoothly onto the surface instead of pressing it into the bed.

Then, as @Veti posted (on 1st of September), „if i need to adjust it with microstepping to get a good first layer i update the offset with the microstepping used“. Good advice.

Delamination on subsequent layers is a different story: One reason may be the specific filament you use. More often, the upper layers cool down too quickly, so try to set your temperature to 240 deg. for all layers. Next, turn down the part cooling fan and see what happens then. Finally, you can try to close the sides of your printer, PETG doesn’t like fresh air.

SnakeSP

@Danal
Got these results (with bed at 60C):
x0y0 - a bit too high
x-50y0 - ok
x-50y-50 - too low
x-50y50 - a bit too high
x0y50 - ok
x50y50 - ok
x50y0 - ok
x50y-50 - a bit too low

So looks like the bed is slightly tilted? Tried recalibrating with S8 and got this:
M665 L266.500:266.500:266.500 R133.769 H287.544 B115.0 X0.385 Y-1.246 Z0.000
M666 X-1.295 Y1.179 Z0.116 A0.34 B0.21
But the check results are exactly the same.

@infiniteloop Looks like just babystepping won't be enough here as there is a problem with probing results described above.

Danal

OK, you can try to physically level the bed a little.

Whether you do or not, do this:

Get the Z-Probe offset as correct as possible at X0Y0
Run a calibration. Maybe several.
Run a mesh bed probe. Be sure and put the G-Code to activate bed mesh in your slicer start script (I don't remember the exact code and don't have a printer near at this moment).

Also, if you test by hand again, like above, be sure mesh is active when you test.

You may have to repeat these steps a couple of times. But it all starts with correct probe offset (at X0Y0).

Veti

can you post the picture of a bed mesh level? G29

Danal

@Veti said in Having problems with Anycubic Kossel Linear Plus calibration:

can you post the picture of a bed mesh level? G29

YES!! @SnakeSP Please post.

SnakeSP

@Danal @Veti
Changed Z probe offset so calibration now gives good output at x0y0 - can just drag paper under the nozzel.
Made bed mesh.

Rebooted printer and loaded bed mesh.
But tests with going to Z0 give the same result as before even with bed mesh compensation.

Veti

that bed would account for the slight irregularities that you are seeing. so you will need to print with mesh bed levelling enabled.

check with M122 that the bed was actually loaded and is active.

SnakeSP

@Veti
M122:
=== Move ===
Hiccups: 0, FreeDm: 169, MinFreeDm: 163, MaxWait: 26536ms
Bed compensation in use: mesh, comp offset 0.000

so mesh is enabled. Then why the nozzle height is good at center but too low at x-50 y-50 for example? I thought with mesh enabled nozzle height should be more accurate at all points.
One more thing, on loading bed mesh (G29 S1) i get this:
Warning: the height map was loaded when the current Z=0 datum was not determined probing. This may result in a height offset.
What am i missing?

Veti

just checking, but you did generate a new heightmap when i asked you to run the G29?

SnakeSP

@Veti
Yes, this is a new map. I run S8 autocalibration when adjusted Z probe height. Rebooted printer. Checked that with z0 paper can be just dragged under the nozzle in bed center after that.
After that i run G28 and G29 S0 P"heightmap.csv"
When finished i check that the map is generated (can be viewed in DWC).
Rebooted printer again. Run G28 and G29 S1. Check that z0 is good at bed center. Move to x-50 y-50 and check z0 again - it occurs too low (paper is stuck under the nozzle).
M122 shows that mesh is active at that moment.

Veti

@SnakeSP said in Having problems with Anycubic Kossel Linear Plus calibration:

x-50y0 - ok
x-50y-50 - too low
x-50y50 - a bit too high

hmm. i am thinking there might be a slight effector tilt that shows up due to the distance from the probing point to the nozzle.

if you are willing to invest an euro this is what i have swapped to as a probe on my kossel linear plus.
https://de.aliexpress.com/item/32838312776.html
its cheap and has nearly no offset.

SnakeSP

@Veti
Yes, thought of that thing, possibly will do.
I'm using stock Anycubic probe right now and have a BL Touch clone, but cannot try it with stock effector. Need to print a custom effector to try BL Touch.
So yes, this thing is worth trying except for wait time till it gets to me from China.

Veti

the bltouch mounts will have a significant offset in the x and y direction. if there is effector tilt, then that will also cause problems.

SnakeSP

@Veti
indeed.
Anyway, there is no fast way to change the Z probe at the moment, so i have to carry on with what i have.
Here is the test print result. PETG at 70C table and 225C nozzle (factory recommendations are 60 and 220-245).
Speed down to 20 mm/s. No offsets or babystepping used.
I'd say the good print was only in the front middle and front left (though nozzle was too low there during tests). Center is a complete mess, but this is possibly due to table being worn off there (i had a bad print where plastic was literally smashed into table there). The other prints have delaminations at corners mostly.
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SnakeSP

Made a lot of experiments. Understood that i'm an idiot, but that's ok, i always suspected that.
I always thought that calibrating with nozzle just touching paper gives enough hight. But it occurs that it is better to have a nozzel at around 0.3 mm from bed (given that the bed surface is not perfectly flat). That was my mistake from the very start. I should have started with bigger babystep and go down until getting best results.
Many thanks to you all who helped me to understand this!

Finally got first layer sticking all over the bed (there are some minor imperfections sometimes but mostly at the bed edge which is not used very often).
Got this on 70C bed, 240С hotend, +0.10 babystep, first layer width 90%.
So looks like the sweetspot is found.

Now i'm confused with this question: what to do with this? I mean using babystep at every print start does not look like permanent solution. So what is the correct way to do it? Change the Z height in delta settings or use First layer height = 150% setting in slicer or use Z-offset = 0.15 setting in slicer or change the Z probe height to current - 0.15 and recalibrate?

I think using First layer height = 150% is the best solution (in Simplify3D at least) as it will raise extrusion amount enough to give the good layer.

Veti

you adjust the G31 Z offset by the babystepping value that works for you.
then run the delta calibration again and use those values.

SnakeSP

@Veti
Tried to do so and after calibration and new bed mesh correction ended up with not sticking again... Strange.
Reverted to the working values and made corrections in slicer (extrusion height and width on first layer) - works fine. Will keep this setting for now.

Veti

@SnakeSP said in Having problems with Anycubic Kossel Linear Plus calibration:

Tried to do so and after calibration and new bed mesh correction ended up with not sticking again...

did you increase or decrease the z offset. i sometimes get the direction confused and decrease it because the baby stepping was negative.