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    • MJCTundefined
      MJCT
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      Tried “G31 P25 X25 Y0 Z2.13” instead of “G31 P25 X25 Y0 Z0.213” ... no surprises, it smashed the bed again!

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      • MJCTundefined
        MJCT @fcwilt
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        @fcwilt
        Yes I understand that.

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        • droftartsundefined
          droftarts administrators @MJCT
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          @MJCT All units are millimetres. You can change to inches with G20, but this is supposed to be used only in gcode files, not for machine calibration.

          Can you check that, after homing, if you send a command like G1 X100 Y100 Z0, the nozzle is not slamming into the bed? Or that the reported position of the nozzle is sensible. If that's the case, it's a problem with the gcode file. Check you haven't set any Z offset in Cura. Post you gcode file so we can check it.

          Ian

          Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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          • fcwiltundefined
            fcwilt @MJCT
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            @MJCT said in Nozzle gets smashed against the bed:

            Tried “G31 P25 X25 Y0 Z2.13” instead of “G31 P25 X25 Y0 Z0.213” ... no surprises, it smashed the bed again!

            Is the pin dropping when you issue a G30 command? The probe has to touch the bed and retract for the motion to be halted.

            Frederick

            Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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            • MJCTundefined
              MJCT @droftarts
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              @droftarts Yes I understand that we are using SI units, supposedly mm, but I not sure of anything right now

              @droftarts said in Nozzle gets smashed against the bed:

              Can you check that, after homing, if you send a command like G1 X100 Y100 Z0, the nozzle is not slamming into the bed?

              Funny (not really), yes it did slammed into the bed. But I did everything by the book (or not). Nozzle at the centre of the bed, just barely touching the bed (paper can still slide under), sent G92 Z0, pull bed down 15mm, sent G30 S-1, changed G31, sent M999.

              The only thing I didn’t do is the "config-override.g " thing, because I just can’t find that file any ware

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              • MJCTundefined
                MJCT @fcwilt
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                @fcwilt

                @fcwilt said in Nozzle gets smashed against the bed:

                Is the pin dropping when you issue a G30 command? The probe has to touch the bed and retract for the motion to be halted.
                Frederick

                Yes, sent G30 command, the probe deplyed, bed moved up until it touched the probe than stoped.

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                • fcwiltundefined
                  fcwilt @MJCT
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                  @MJCT said in [Nozzle gets smashed against

                  Yes, sent G30 command, the probe deplyed, bed moved up until it touched the probe than stoped.

                  OK then at point what is the displayed Z position? Does it appear to be accurate?

                  Frederick

                  Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                  • MJCTundefined
                    MJCT
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                    Where do I find "config-override.g " file, maybe is because of that. Maybe it always overrides my new imputes.

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                    • fcwiltundefined
                      fcwilt @MJCT
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                      @MJCT said in Nozzle gets smashed against the bed:

                      Where do I find "config-override.g " file, maybe is because of that. Maybe it always overrides my new imputes.

                      If it exists it is right there next to config.g.

                      Frederick

                      Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                      • MJCTundefined
                        MJCT @fcwilt
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                        @fcwilt

                        @fcwilt said in Nozzle gets smashed against the bed:

                        If it exists it is right there next to config.g.

                        Well, to me, it never existed. Still it appears at the wiki

                        “9. Open config-override.g and check that there are no G31 commands in it. If you find any, delete those lines and save the file.”

                        And it’s not the first time that I see the wiki page referring to it, and that’s why I don’t trust wiki

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                        • droftartsundefined
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                          @MJCT said in Nozzle gets smashed against the bed:

                          Where do I find "config-override.g " file, maybe is because of that. Maybe it always overrides my new imputes.

                          You don't have M501 (read stored parameters) in your config.g, so it won't be loading config-override.g (which is usually in the sys folder, where config.g is). You'll only have a config-override.g if you have sent an M500 to store

                          How old is your BL Touch? I have heard that after a while they can get 'sticky', with the pin not deploying fully, and giving variable results. I believe you can take them apart and give them a clean.

                          Ian

                          Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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                          • MJCTundefined
                            MJCT
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                            I think I found the reason why I never see a config-override file...

                            *****“dc42 ADMINISTRATORS 10 Jun 2017, 23:18

                            If you created your config.g file using configtool, you will have selected whether or not config-override.g is processed.”*****

                            When I did my config with the config toll I didn’t select the “Read config-override.g file at end of startup process” box at “General”.
                            One doubt less, but still doesn’t solve my problem

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                            • fcwiltundefined
                              fcwilt @MJCT
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                              @MJCT

                              The file config-override is created if you have executed a M500 command.

                              I don't have one as created it to have access to the two line of code that were generated by heater tuning.

                              I copied those lines into config.g and deleted config-override.g

                              Frederick

                              Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                              • MJCTundefined
                                MJCT
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                                My BL is new. Version 3.1, the pin deploys fully and the results are consistent.

                                The problem seems to be that the values that I impute are not taken in to account and the real distance from the nozzle to the bed doesn’t correspond to the distance displayed at the Dashboard for the Z (dashboard always displays a positive value, say 2mm, when the nozzle is already touching the bed).

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                                • fcwiltundefined
                                  fcwilt
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                                  Hi,

                                  After you do a single G30 does the reported value seem to be correct? Does the gap between nozzle and bed seem to match the reported value?

                                  Frederick

                                  Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                                  • MJCTundefined
                                    MJCT @fcwilt
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                                    @fcwilt ~

                                    Nop, last 2 times that that I sent G30 the nozzle smashed the bed

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                                    • fcwiltundefined
                                      fcwilt @MJCT
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                                      @MJCT said in Nozzle gets smashed against the bed:

                                      @fcwilt ~

                                      Nop, last 2 times that that I sent G30 the nozzle smashed the bed

                                      When that happened did the pin drop down at the start?

                                      Frederick

                                      Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                                      • MJCTundefined
                                        MJCT @fcwilt
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                                        @fcwilt
                                        Yes

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                                        • fcwiltundefined
                                          fcwilt @MJCT
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                                          @MJCT said in Nozzle gets smashed against the bed:

                                          @fcwilt
                                          Yes

                                          Did the pin retract when it touched the bed?

                                          It's possible you have an intermittent connection in the wires that carry the signal from the probe back to the Duet.

                                          Frederick

                                          Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                                          • MJCTundefined
                                            MJCT @fcwilt
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                                            @fcwilt
                                            Yes, the pin retract when it touches the bed

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