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    • zecchiundefined
      zecchi @bot
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      @bot said in Z axis issue: wrong movement (layers):

      Is this issue dependent on layer TIME at all?

      I don't think so. Rather it depend on height of the model: different models same errors at same height.

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      • zecchiundefined
        zecchi @bot
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        @bot said in Z axis issue: wrong movement (layers):

        Are you using the same thermistor in your heat bed as for your hotends? Your config indicates this. I don't see any heater model parameters in your M307 command for the bed heater. This would be using the default heater model, which is based on an e3d V6, no?

        Yes , I'm using e3d V6. I'll try to repeat auto-tuning of PID for the nozzle. Maybe the error is due by the instable temperature.

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        • Phaedruxundefined
          Phaedrux Moderator @zecchi
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          @zecchi said in Z axis issue: wrong movement (layers):

          @bot said in Z axis issue: wrong movement (layers):

          Are you using the same thermistor in your heat bed as for your hotends? Your config indicates this. I don't see any heater model parameters in your M307 command for the bed heater. This would be using the default heater model, which is based on an e3d V6, no?

          Yes , I'm using e3d V6. I'll try to repeat auto-tuning of PID for the nozzle. Maybe the error is due by the instable temperature.

          Have you pid tuned the bed as well? Bang Bang mode on the bed could cause some up and down motion via warping and expansion.

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          • botundefined
            bot @Phaedrux
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            @Phaedrux I think it’s worse than that. The user seems to be using pid with the bed but using default parameters. This may not be worse than bang bang but it could very well be.

            I don’t think the user understood what I was saying. Tuning the bed PID or trying bang bang was my suggestion, basically. I’m so bad at wording posts.

            *not actually a robot

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            • zecchiundefined
              zecchi @bot
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              @bot said in Z axis issue: wrong movement (layers):

              The user seems to be using pid with the bed but using default parameters

              Yeah , it is. I've never tuned the bed because I never use it (At least for now ).

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              • botundefined
                bot @zecchi
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                @zecchi Sorry about that. If you're not heating the bed that is clearly not a factor.

                *not actually a robot

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                • zecchiundefined
                  zecchi
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                  Today I'll try the new z axes. I set up them yesterday. My last chance...

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                  • zecchiundefined
                    zecchi
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                    And here we go!!

                    IMG_20200106_151501.jpg

                    The problem were the two z axis.
                    Maybe it was due to the elasticity of the belts!!

                    Thanks to all.

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                    • Dkosundefined
                      Dkos
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                      Congrats on solving the issue.

                      A question out of curiosity, what did you change in your Z axis?

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                      • DIY-O-Sphereundefined
                        DIY-O-Sphere @zecchi
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                        @zecchi
                        Thank you for sharing.
                        So you wouldn't recommend short belts for driving the axis?
                        I was close to modify my HEVO in the same way.
                        By the way, have you designed the geared axis by yourself?

                        (UTC+1)

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                        • zecchiundefined
                          zecchi @Dkos
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                          @Dkos
                          I've replaced it in this way:

                          IMG_20200106_160456.jpg

                          Actually there are other improvements to do (these lead screws are too short ) but for now it's ok

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                          • zecchiundefined
                            zecchi @DIY-O-Sphere
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                            @DIY-O-Sphere

                            All my printer is designed by me.
                            And yeah , belts are not a good solution for high loads.

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                            • Dkosundefined
                              Dkos @zecchi
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                              @zecchi Thanks for the info, I also have the same issue as you had (i think), but not as intense as yours and i am running my Z axis with a closed loop belt. I guess i will give the direct a try to see if the issue is going to be completely eliminated for me as well.

                              Cheers!

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                              • Phaedruxundefined
                                Phaedrux Moderator
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                                So I'm guessing eccentric pulley leading to uneven motion.

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