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    Phaedrux Moderator @necrorat
    last edited by 31 Jan 2020, 16:25

    @necrorat said in mesh bed compensation not applying correct corrections:

    height map.png

    The image seems to show a bowed gantry. What areas are not touching the bed?

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      necrorat
      last edited by 31 Jan 2020, 16:48

      20200131_164358.jpg 20200131_164331.jpg
      not the best pictures but best i can do at the moment.

      the main area is the region 3 threes what appears to be a island where the print head is too far from the bed

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        Phaedrux Moderator
        last edited by 31 Jan 2020, 16:52

        Where are those locations in relation to the heightmap?

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          Phaedrux Moderator
          last edited by 31 Jan 2020, 16:57

          I see you're using the BLTouch. You can attempt to get a bit more accuracy and repeatability out of it by modifying your M558 a bit.

          M558 P9 H5 F60 T6000 A10 R0.75 S0.003 B1

          Slower probe speed, with repeated attempts if 2 consecutive probes don't match to within a tighter tolerance. Probing will take longer because of the slower dive height and it will do at least 2 probes per point. But you will be far less likely to get outliers.

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            necrorat @Phaedrux
            last edited by 31 Jan 2020, 17:01

            @Phaedrux so 1 is the rear right of the height map and 3 is the front centre on the height map. sweet thanks for the tip ill change that out and give it a try probably wont be till tomorrow till ill get to try it now though.

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              Veti
              last edited by 31 Jan 2020, 17:14

              can you measure the z trigger heigh at different positions?

              it is possible that you have different trigger heights based on position.

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                necrorat @Veti
                last edited by 1 Feb 2020, 14:44

                @Veti so i measured the z trigger height and it didn't vary by more than 0.005mm at each of the 9 points i measured at, it did vary from point to point but thats kinda the point of bed levelling isn't it ?

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                  Veti @necrorat
                  last edited by 1 Feb 2020, 14:55

                  @necrorat said in mesh bed compensation not applying correct corrections:

                  so i measured the z trigger height and it didn't vary by more than 0.005mm at each of the 9 points i measured at, it did vary from point to point but thats kinda the point of bed levelling isn't it ?

                  no the z trigger height has to be constant across the entire bed otherwise you have the effects that you are seeing.
                  to clarify i am not refereing the the result of a G30 but the valude of of Z for G31 when calibrating it.

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                    necrorat @Veti
                    last edited by 1 Feb 2020, 15:19

                    @Veti just ran though a 3x3 grid to check and i am consistently getting 2.31 for the trigger height

                    01/02/2020, 15:16:27 M98 P"0:/macros/probe test"
                    Current reading 0, threshold 25, trigger height 2.31, offsets X-29.5 Y11.4

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                      Veti @necrorat
                      last edited by Veti 2 Jan 2020, 15:26 1 Feb 2020, 15:26

                      @necrorat said in mesh bed compensation not applying correct corrections:

                      01/02/2020, 15:16:27 M98 P"0:/macros/probe test"

                      does that macro do this?
                      https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Test_and_calibrate_the_Z_probe#Section_Calibrate_the_Z_probe_trigger_height

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                        necrorat @Veti
                        last edited by 1 Feb 2020, 15:33

                        @Veti ive wrote it as this to probe 3 times per spot:
                        G1 Z10
                        G30 S-1
                        G1 Z10
                        G30 S-1
                        G1 Z10
                        G30 S-1

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                          necrorat
                          last edited by 1 Feb 2020, 15:38

                          so have just run it again and i am getting quite a large variance now in the region of 0.11mm is this a mechanical issue? the machine is set up on linear rails and i have ensured that they are as square and parallel as possible

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                            Veti @necrorat
                            last edited by 1 Feb 2020, 15:40

                            @necrorat said in mesh bed compensation not applying correct corrections:

                            G1 Z10
                            G30 S-1
                            G1 Z10
                            G30 S-1
                            G1 Z10
                            G30 S-1

                            that determines repeatability, but does not determine z probe trigger height as you do not determine z=0 before probing as described in the above linked document

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                              necrorat @Veti
                              last edited by 1 Feb 2020, 15:44

                              @Veti so do i have to go though the full calibration procedure for each point that i probe on the bed?

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                                Veti @necrorat
                                last edited by 1 Feb 2020, 15:45

                                @necrorat
                                do one at the point where the lines where ok and one where the lines where not ok

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                                  necrorat @Veti
                                  last edited by 1 Feb 2020, 16:09

                                  @Veti so just did a test over 5 point and theses are the results :

                                  2.064
                                  2.068
                                  2.066
                                  2.059
                                  2.046

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                                    Veti
                                    last edited by 1 Feb 2020, 16:53

                                    thats a lot different than your original trigger height of 2.31

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                                      necrorat @Veti
                                      last edited by 1 Feb 2020, 17:16

                                      @Veti i have been tinkering with the frame and alignment all day. gonna probe the bed one last time then try another print

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                                        Stuffi
                                        last edited by 12 Dec 2020, 12:49

                                        Sry to bring up that old post again.

                                        @necrorat Did you find a solution or the reason why the meshbed compensation didn't apply?

                                        I have the same issue.

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