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    hiro_ono
    last edited by 1 Apr 2020, 08:51

    I removed the ethernet module, and the short seems to be gone! So i guess something in the ethernet module has popped, no idea what though

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      A Former User
      last edited by A Former User 4 Jan 2020, 09:03 1 Apr 2020, 08:54

      good news is you can buy just the ethernet module.

      but if you're certain the Duet wiring was not to blame I'd be concerned you have a ground fault somewhere in your mains wiring. is your electrical installation fitted with RCD/GFCI's?

      Electric water heater or stove tops are the prime suspects for ground faults after outdoor outlets and outdoor lighting.

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        hiro_ono
        last edited by 1 Apr 2020, 10:16

        I'll do that 🙂 Apparently the plug it was plugged into has been a bit dodgy for years, so now I know where the problem is! Do you know which microusb port I should get? Looks like there's a lot of similar but slightly different kinds

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          logriso
          last edited by 1 Apr 2020, 10:51

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            logriso @logriso
            last edited by 1 Apr 2020, 10:53

            @logriso said in Magic smoke and stopped working:

            Hi at all, I'm a newbie and I follow this chat since the begin.
            @hiro_ono, I'm very sorry about your problem... And I hope cause is only the eth module... @bearer, I don't know what does mean RCD GFC

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              logriso
              last edited by 1 Apr 2020, 10:55

              @bearer coukd you please explain to me? I will prepare the wiring for my 3d printer and I want to be sure to connect everything in the right way, before apply power supply. Thanks a lot

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                hiro_ono
                last edited by 1 Apr 2020, 11:02

                RCD/GFC are circuit breakers, if something plugged into them draws too much current they open and break the circuit, you can close them again and the circuit should start working. Sort of like a fuse but re usable.
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlM6PE2kKVY&t=9s

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                  logriso
                  last edited by 1 Apr 2020, 11:17

                  @hiro_ono thank you... But is not enough insert a fuse(s) triggered to the max current of the board?

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                    logriso @hiro_ono
                    last edited by 1 Apr 2020, 11:19

                    Sort of like a fuse but re usable.

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlM6PE2kKVY&t=9s

                    OK I understand....

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                      dc42 administrators
                      last edited by 1 Apr 2020, 13:53

                      Have you checked that the VIN terminal block screws are tight, in particular the ground one; and that the wire is tightly gripped by the ferrule?

                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                        A Former User @hiro_ono
                        last edited by A Former User 4 Jan 2020, 15:05 1 Apr 2020, 15:03

                        @hiro_ono said in Magic smoke and stopped working:

                        RCD/GFC are circuit breakers, if something plugged into them draws too much current they open and break the circuit,

                        sort of; but RCD/GFCI are mostly concerned with leakage currents, meaning if the current that goes out on the live wire doesn't match what returns on neutral it will trip at a relatively low current tens of milliamperes; the main purpose is to protect humans against hazardous potentials if something shorts to a metal surface as well as reducing the risk of electrical fires.

                        (although at least in europe, they are normally combined with a traditional circuit breaker, so you could have 10A circuit breaker with a integral 40mA leake current protection for instance.)

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                          A Former User @hiro_ono
                          last edited by A Former User 4 Jan 2020, 17:09 1 Apr 2020, 15:07

                          @hiro_ono said in Magic smoke and stopped working:

                          Do you know which microusb port I should get?

                          amp 10103594-0001LF or equivalent.

                          (but test it before buying a new one, I could only tell the board was discoloured to indicate thats where the current went - and you could also have to repair the ground pad, hard to say before removing the old)

                          ((edit: actually do you need the usb port? for all but firmware recovery i think you could use a usb-ttl adapter and connect to the panel due port instead. i'm not sure i'd bother to repair it if it was broken))

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                            tekstyle @hiro_ono
                            last edited by 2 Apr 2020, 01:42

                            @hiro_ono said in Magic smoke and stopped working:

                            I connected my printer (duet ethernet, 12V) for the first time in a while, and couldn't find it on my browser, i plugged in a USB cable (stupidly with the printer still powered on) and there was some magic smoke. the ethernet light isn't on, and when i connect via usb i can't see it. Any help fixing it would be great

                            Good to know that plugging even the USB cable to a PC will cause magic smoke while powered on. I didn't know it was possible.

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                              A Former User @tekstyle
                              last edited by A Former User 4 Feb 2020, 01:53 2 Apr 2020, 01:53

                              @tekstyle said in Magic smoke and stopped working:

                              Good to know that plugging even the USB cable to a PC will cause magic smoke while powered on. I didn't know it was possible.

                              Hopefully this is just a lost-in-translation thing, because it is not a given that plugging in a USB cable will cause magic smoke. It can cause magic smoken given other faulty wiring in either the printer or even external to the printer.

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