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    • CorvoDewittV2undefined
      CorvoDewittV2 @Baenwort
      last edited by

      @Baenwort Yeah I agree, I was really hoping it was the board, because I had already changed so much out. I have tried prusaslicer, cura, and idea maker. All the same. It has to be mechanical right?? I'm running about 1200mm/s^2 for acceleration, and 60mm/s print speed, 600 jerk per min, I forgot the units lol.

      What do you think? Extruder? I really don't want to buy another one but if it fixes it, at this point, idgaf. I'm willing to try pretty much anything at this point.

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      • Phaedruxundefined
        Phaedrux Moderator
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        Disassemble the Titan and check the bearings. See if they squeak or if they are leaking black lube. Usually pretty easy to tell if they have failed. It can happen pretty quickly if the spring tensioner is over tensioned.

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        • Scachiundefined
          Scachi
          last edited by

          Have you tried printing with the part fan off to see if it still looks the same ?

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          • CorvoDewittV2undefined
            CorvoDewittV2 @Scachi
            last edited by

            @Scachi yeah tried that too, no difference 😞

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            • CorvoDewittV2undefined
              CorvoDewittV2 @Phaedrux
              last edited by

              @Phaedrux Bearings all are good, no leaking or squeaking, turns smooth. He is a benchy, maybe you can see something in this. IMG_20200706_072014.jpg

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              • mwolterundefined
                mwolter
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                I think you’re fighting a couple issues. Looks to me like over extrusion and also a possible issue with part cooling.

                Having to run your extrusion multiplier at 93% is an indicator that your over extruding. Temp and or E-step could be too high and causing this.

                220c for PLA is on the high side. Would recommend trying lowering it to 200 even 190 and trying.

                Also recommend recalibration your esteps. I’ve found it best to calibrate the esteps with the nozzle removed and the hotend temp at 0. You will want to remove the nozzle, set the temp at 0, and enable cold extrusion. Mark the filament at 150mm and extrude 100mm at 1mm/sec. Doing it this way I can run my extrusion multiplier at 100%.

                Is there a different cooling fan setup for that hotend that you can try? The ducts that come with the 4010 fans are not ideal and it looks like it’s blowing right on your hotend and the heater is having issues with keeping the temp consistent. This is evident at the tops and bottoms of the letters in the cube. Recommend finding a way to focus the airflow and direct it down a little so the air is not on the heat block. Having to print at 220 is also an indicator that you part cooling is actually cooling the heat block and you’re having to increase the temp to compensate.

                Just a couple ideas of things to try. Hope it helps.

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                • CorvoDewittV2undefined
                  CorvoDewittV2 @mwolter
                  last edited by

                  @mwolter I will try a lower temp right now, and I'll double check my esteps. That hot end is my personal hot mess lol, maybe I can design some fan ducts tho. No fan doesn't seem to help tho

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                  • CorvoDewittV2undefined
                    CorvoDewittV2 @mwolter
                    last edited by

                    @mwolter I checked my esteps without the nozzle, dead on. Here is a print at 195C:
                    IMG_20200706_100711.jpg

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                    • mwolterundefined
                      mwolter
                      last edited by

                      Looks better, the layers are more consistent but would be good to do a temp tower test.

                      The issues at the top and bottom of the letters are still present. Have a feeling this due to the fan ducts. Seems like the cooling for the plastic isn't enough but it's also affecting the heat block temp. Printing a four-wall cube (no top or bottom) in vase mode that has no letters and solid walls would help to isolate the cooling issue.

                      Would also be good to tune Pressure Advance once the other issues are resolved.

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                      • CorvoDewittV2undefined
                        CorvoDewittV2 @mwolter
                        last edited by

                        @mwolter I'll try a temp tower, Ill have to look up how to do that in idea maker. Yeah I'll have to do something with the fans. That might take me awhile lol. I tried printing a cube at 220 and 107% flow, just to show I guess? Anyway:
                        IMG_20200706_110249.jpg

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                        • mwolterundefined
                          mwolter
                          last edited by

                          To me, the 220 107% print is bulging and looks melted. Like a marshmallow.

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                          • PDBealundefined
                            PDBeal
                            last edited by

                            I had a similar issue on a machine that showed vertical walls like in your picture. In my case, my extruder current was my issue. I increased my current from 600mA to 800mA in config.g and that took care of the weird striping issues. I'm assuming the backpressure inside the nozzle caused it to over/under extrude on a regular basis creating the bulging.

                            It's an easy test to increase your extruder motor current and then print again. Just something I've experienced with similar results as in your picture.

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                            • Phaedruxundefined
                              Phaedrux Moderator
                              last edited by

                              Have you PID tuned the bed and hot end heaters?

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                              • CorvoDewittV2undefined
                                CorvoDewittV2 @PDBeal
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                                @PDBeal I will try that when I get home!

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                                • CorvoDewittV2undefined
                                  CorvoDewittV2 @Phaedrux
                                  last edited by

                                  @Phaedrux Yep, temp is very stable, about +/-0.6c

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                                  • CorvoDewittV2undefined
                                    CorvoDewittV2 @mwolter
                                    last edited by

                                    @mwolter not as tasty tho haha, I'm probably printing too hot then. I'll go down to 205? 195 felt a bit weak to me.

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                                    • Phaedruxundefined
                                      Phaedrux Moderator
                                      last edited by

                                      I might try swapping out the backlash nuts for regular nuts and seeing if it's a binding issue.

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                                      • CorvoDewittV2undefined
                                        CorvoDewittV2 @Phaedrux
                                        last edited by

                                        @Phaedrux Can I just back off the backlash adjustors? They are this style nut :
                                        https://openbuildspartstore.com/anti-backlash-nut-block-for-8mm-metric-acme-lead-screw/

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                                        • CorvoDewittV2undefined
                                          CorvoDewittV2
                                          last edited by

                                          Well here is 950mA on the extruder, temp 205. Really starting to think it's an extruder problem again:
                                          IMG_20200706_173049.jpg

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                                          • CorvoDewittV2undefined
                                            CorvoDewittV2
                                            last edited by CorvoDewittV2

                                            Or... It's a z problem... Backed off the antibacklash nuts, same setting as last posts
                                            IMG_20200706_190104.jpg

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