Homing advice

Phaedrux

This sounds like a case of incorrect coordinate system.

Please have a look at these posts

https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/12676/mirrored-x-axis/9
https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/14971/vcore-pro-core-xy-the-x-and-y-axis-home-issue/4

Basically, you must decide where the front of your printer is when you're looking at it. Then the front left corner is the origin point 0,0.
The homing position is where the endstops are. They aren't always going to be at 0,0.
Is the X endstop on the left or right?
Is the Y endstop at the front or back?
The M574 commands that define the endstops must match where they physically are. High or low end of travel.
+X moves to the right, -X to the left. -Y to the front, +Y to the back.
The homing files must move towards the endstops.

agent0810

Thanks for the reply!

ill def have a look at those posts.

and this maybe where im getting confused. the stops are in the back right corner. i thought that was 0,0. right now +x moves to the left and +y moves towards me or what im calling the front of the printer.

Phaedrux

So you have the choice of either viewing the "back" of the printer as the "front" and choosing the back right corner as 0,0 and the homing position, or choosing the front left as 0,0 and the homing position at the high end of travel in the back right corner.

Either way is fine, but you need to be careful that you don't get an axis flipped which can lead to printed models being mirrored from what the slicer shows since the slicer is assuming the 0,0 position is in the front left and +X moves to the right, -X to the left. -Y to the front, +Y to the back.

agent0810

so i think i would like to keep the Back of the printer as the 0,0 since that is where the stop switches are. but im still confused on what i need to change to make that happen. i know im being a complete noob and i apologize for that .

Phaedrux

Well 0,0 and the endstops don't have to match. Homing to the high end of travel is fine. This has the benefit of staying matched with the slicer view and stays consistent with the language normally used with printers, namely the right handed coordinate system, meaning +X moves to the right, -X to the left. -Y to the front, +Y to the back.

Here are some illustrations.

dbot axis.png

So in your case, here's what you need to change in your config.

; Endstops
M574 X2 S1 P"xstop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on X via pin xstop
M574 Y2 S1 P"ystop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Y via pin ystop

Instead of X1 and Y1, it's not X2 and Y2, for the high end of travel, back right corner.

And change the directions of travel for the homing moves from negative to positive.

; homeall.g
; called to home all axes
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.1.3 on Sun Jul 05 2020 20:32:27 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time)
G91 ; relative positioning
G1 H2 Z5 F6000 ; lift Z relative to current position
G1 H1 X+250 Y+250 F1800 ; move quickly to X and Y axis endstops and stop there (first pass)
G1 H2 X-5 Y-5 F6000 ; go back a few mm
G1 H1 X+230 Y+230 F360 ; move slowly to X and Y axis endstops once more (second pass)
G1 H1 Z305 F360 ; move Z up stopping at the endstop
G90 ; absolute positioning
G92 Z300 ; set Z position to axis maximum (you may want to adjust this)

; homex.g
; called to home the X axis
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.1.3 on Sun Jul 05 2020 20:32:27 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time)
G91 ; relative positioning
G1 H2 Z5 F6000 ; lift Z relative to current position
G1 H1 X+250 F1800 ; move quickly to X axis endstop and stop there (first pass)
G1 H2 X-5 F6000 ; go back a few mm
G1 H1 X+230 F360 ; move slowly to X axis endstop once more (second pass)
G1 H2 Z-5 F6000 ; lower Z again
G90 ; absolute positioning

; homey.g
; called to home the Y axis
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.1.3 on Sun Jul 05 2020 20:32:27 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time)
G91 ; relative positioning
G1 H2 Z5 F6000 ; lift Z relative to current position
G1 H1 Y+230 F1800 ; move quickly to Y axis endstop and stop there (first pass)
G1 H2 Y-5 F6000 ; go back a few mm
G1 H1 Y+230 F360 ; move slowly to Y axis endstop once more (second pass)
G1 H2 Z-5 F6000 ; lower Z again
G90 ; absolute positioning

agent0810

thank you for the detailed explanation, makes a little more sense now. still working on understanding the settings though. i made you suggested changes and now the extruder is in the front right corner and when i do home all sits there and bangs over and over when each of the axis homes.

X+ currently moves to the left
Y+ moves towards myself or the front
Z+ moves the bed up

Phaedrux

Did you copy and paste my homing files into yours?

And just to confirm...
Is the X endstop on the left or right?
Is the Y endstop at the front or back?

agent0810

yes sir, copied and pasted.

The Y is in the back right corner.
The x is on the right,

Phaedrux

@Phaedrux said in Homing advice:

M574 X2 S1 P"xstop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on X via pin xstop M574 Y2 S1 P"ystop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Y via pin ystop

And you changed M574 to X2 and Y2?

agent0810

yes sir copied all 3 homing files and pasted over mine.

; Endstops
M574 X2 S1 P"xstop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on X via pin xstop
M574 Y2 S1 P"ystop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Y via pin ystop
M574 Z2 S1 P"zstop" ; configure active-high endstop for high end on Z via pin zstop

Phaedrux

Alright, then we may need to change a motor direction.

; Drives
M569 P0 S1 ; physical drive 0 goes forwards
M569 P1 S1 ; physical drive 1 goes forwards

Try

M569 P0 S0
M569 P1 S0

agent0810

That may have done it.

X+ Moves to the right !!!!!!
Y+ Moves to the Back!!!!
Z+ Moves up!!!!!

so after i home, the "position tool" says its X - 225.0, Y 225.0, Z - 300.00 thats what i want right?

Phaedrux

@agent0810 said in Homing advice:

X - 225.0, Y 225.0, Z - 300.00

Are those negative values?

agent0810

no dashes,

Status
Printing
Mode: FFF
Tool Position
X
225.0
Y
225.0
Z
300.00

Phaedrux

The last thing to check is that when you move to 0,0 it's at the corner of the bed. If it's not, then you'll have to adjust the M208 maxima values.

agent0810

so when i "home all" it sends it to the back right corner. when i got to 0,0 it goes to the front left corner. when i try to start a print, it starts in the back right corner, bangs against the stops then the bed starts to lower all the way.

Phaedrux

What do you have in your start gcode?

agent0810

Here is the start:

;FLAVOR:Marlin
;TIME:336
;Filament used: 0.10025m
;Layer height: 0.2
;MINX:89
;MINY:95
;MINZ:0.2
;MAXX:131
;MAXY:125
;MAXZ:14.8
;Generated with Cura_SteamEngine 4.6.1
M140 S60
M105
M190 S60
M104 S230
M105
M109 S230
M82 ;absolute extrusion mode
M201 X500.00 Y500.00 Z100.00 E5000.00 ;Setup machine max acceleration
M203 X500.00 Y500.00 Z10.00 E50.00 ;Setup machine max feedrate
M204 P500.00 R1000.00 T500.00 ;Setup Print/Retract/Travel acceleration
M205 X8.00 Y8.00 Z0.40 E5.00 ;Setup Jerk
M220 S100 ;Reset Feedrate
M221 S100 ;Reset Flowrate

G28 ;Home

G92 E0 ;Reset Extruder
G1 Z2.0 F3000 ;Move Z Axis up
G1 X10.1 Y20 Z0.28 F5000.0 ;Move to start position
G1 X10.1 Y200.0 Z0.28 F1500.0 E15 ;Draw the first line
G1 X10.4 Y200.0 Z0.28 F5000.0 ;Move to side a little
G1 X10.4 Y20 Z0.28 F1500.0 E30 ;Draw the second line
G92 E0 ;Reset Extruder
G1 Z2.0 F3000 ;Move Z Axis up

G92 E0
G92 E0
G1 F5100 E-7
;LAYER_COUNT:86
;LAYER:0
M107

Phaedrux

@agent0810 said in Homing advice:

M201 X500.00 Y500.00 Z100.00 E5000.00 ;Setup machine max acceleration
M203 X500.00 Y500.00 Z10.00 E50.00 ;Setup machine max feedrate
M204 P500.00 R1000.00 T500.00 ;Setup Print/Retract/Travel acceleration
M205 X8.00 Y8.00 Z0.40 E5.00 ;Setup Jerk

Unrelated, but delete those lines from your slicer start gcode section in Cura.

I don't see a G90 in there to make sure you're in absolute positioning mode.

Does it do the prime line correctly or does it just start crashing?

agent0810

just starts crashing.