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    • JoergS5undefined
      JoergS5 @agent0810
      last edited by JoergS5

      @agent0810 I have only the recommendation to make the bed parallel to the x and y axes before starting with mesh compensation. I don' t see errors in the config at the moment.
      First I would try to find out whether the bed is uneven or the x axis is bent. ( nice would be a hair lineal)

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      • agent0810undefined
        agent0810 @JoergS5
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        @JoergS5 thank you for the help!

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        • JoergS5undefined
          JoergS5 @agent0810
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          @agent0810 our posts crossed, please see my addition.

          You're welcome, good luck!

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          • agent0810undefined
            agent0810 @JoergS5
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            @JoergS5
            ive kinda gone over that as much as i can. all the bars seem to be level and parallel to the bed. im not sure what i could be doing wrong. i ve read alot of artices, alot of advice and help from people here, and youtube videos. i just cant seem to get it leveled .....

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            • JoergS5undefined
              JoergS5 @agent0810
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              @agent0810 one possibility is bending due to temperature. Do you heat the bed and have screws?

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              • agent0810undefined
                agent0810 @JoergS5
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                @JoergS5
                yea i try to do this all when the bed is heated. its a ender 5 pro so it has 4 big black screws on the bottom.

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                • JoergS5undefined
                  JoergS5 @agent0810
                  last edited by JoergS5

                  @agent0810 try to loosen three screws and one fixed. This allows thermal expansion. The bed could be bent permanently already however. But its worth a try.

                  Loosen in the sense it can expand in xy, but not in z direction.

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                  • agent0810undefined
                    agent0810 @JoergS5
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                    @JoergS5

                    not sure what you mean int the xy but not the z direction

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                    • JoergS5undefined
                      JoergS5 @agent0810
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                      @agent0810 the screws fix xyz. If you loosen a bit, the bed can expand in xy directions, but not up or down.

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                      • agent0810undefined
                        agent0810 @JoergS5
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                        @JoergS5 hmmmmm when i untighten the screws the bed goes up, when i tighten its pulled down.

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                        • JoergS5undefined
                          JoergS5 @agent0810
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                          @agent0810 thats a signal that you bend the bed with the screws.....

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                          • agent0810undefined
                            agent0810 @JoergS5
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                            @JoergS5 soooooo i need a new bed?

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                            • JoergS5undefined
                              JoergS5 @agent0810
                              last edited by JoergS5

                              @agent0810 not necessarily, you only need to install it even and without force

                              The best information I know is https://drmrehorst.blogspot.com/2017/07/3-point-print-bed-leveling-vs-4-point.html?m=1 and other articles on his page.

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                              • Phaedruxundefined
                                Phaedrux Moderator @agent0810
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                                @agent0810 said in Issues with IR Probe offset:

                                @JoergS5 so something like X50:175?

                                I think we already established the correct mesh in your previous thread. In your image from your first post you can see that the probe was able to reach those points, and on your resulting image you're limited to just a strip in the middle now.

                                I'd try your original M557 values and redo the mesh again. I think the huge offset on your first attempt was an anomaly from running G29 without a fresh homing first.

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                                • JoergS5undefined
                                  JoergS5 @agent0810
                                  last edited by JoergS5

                                  @agent0810 I was not aware of the other thread. If you optimized M557 already, the original value is no problem of course (because the endstop/M208 will not be at the edge of the print bed in your case, I suspect. Just be careful not to touch/damage the sensor with the brackets).

                                  Your top layer is fiexed by brackets, so this could be the reason for the print area to be wavy. You should think about the design of the print bed according to the mrehorst blogs.

                                  My recommendations about hair lineal was halfway serious. The idea is that with two unknowns (is the X axis uneven or the print bed?) it's difficult to know what to make better. So a hair angle (to measure perpendiculary also) is a valuable tool.
                                  I took the best tolerance DIN 875/00. (Best would be 300 mm in your case, but they are expensive) One can measure the angle between X and Y also.

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                                  • jumpedwithbothfeetundefined
                                    jumpedwithbothfeet @Phaedrux
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                                    @Phaedrux @agent0810 just a few thoughts... looking over your config.g and comparing it with mine, the probe offset should be a positive not negative, are you still using your Z end stop switch instead of the probe?

                                    Given M29 was sending your probe to front left i would look start looking at motor direction and end stops, my ender 5 homes back right X,Y to 0,0 and my mesh always starts from here

                                    i've added an old config of mine but its for the Duet 3 that and few other things have been changed like my X axis direction but still it might help

                                    config.g

                                    Regards Jim

                                    6HC Voron Trident based, 6XD CNC, Mini 5 polar printer

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                                    • Phaedruxundefined
                                      Phaedrux Moderator @jumpedwithbothfeet
                                      last edited by

                                      @jumpedwithbothfeet said in Issues with IR Probe offset:

                                      Given M29 was sending your probe to front left i would look start looking at motor direction and end stops, my ender 5 homes back right X,Y to 0,0 and my mesh always starts from here

                                      Your coordinates are reversed, but we've worked through with @agent0810 to place the 0,0 position at the front left and home to the back right to match a right hand coordinate system to match the common 3D printer arrangement. The Ender5 is an aberration in that regards. Hope that explains the difference.

                                      left_right_hand.gif Cartesian-coordinate-system.png

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                                      • jumpedwithbothfeetundefined
                                        jumpedwithbothfeet @Phaedrux
                                        last edited by jumpedwithbothfeet

                                        @Phaedrux lol nope if anything you’ve just confused me more!, However don’t want to pollute this thread With my lack of understanding so I will go do some research! Either way I hope you get agent0810 printing soon I’ll be watching this thread with interest as I’ve had the same issues!

                                        Cheers Jim

                                        6HC Voron Trident based, 6XD CNC, Mini 5 polar printer

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                                        • agent0810undefined
                                          agent0810 @jumpedwithbothfeet
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                                          @jumpedwithbothfeet

                                          hey guys, sorry for the delay, got sick and was having a down system at work.

                                          so i set it back to:
                                          M557 X10:175 Y10:215 P8

                                          and here is what i get:

                                          8/3/2020, 12:02:36 PM M29
                                          GCode end-of-file being interpreted.

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                                          • agent0810undefined
                                            agent0810 @Phaedrux
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                                            @Phaedrux

                                            got it to finally work, but it looks worse lol

                                            3287af3a-e74c-48c5-b0b3-c87f2d534f94-image.png

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