Duet3D Logo Duet3D
    • Tags
    • Documentation
    • Order
    • Register
    • Login

    Slicer speed: S3d is faster then ideaMaker?

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved
    Third-party software
    5
    29
    1.6k
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • BlueDustundefined
      BlueDust @BlueDust
      last edited by

      @BlueDust
      I found it. Infil was printing layer twice as thick to save time...

      Fun, that 3 letter word with "u" in the middle.

      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • arhiundefined
        arhi
        last edited by

        that happens when you use "combine layers" for infill or support to print more then one layer at a time for them... I usually do this as for e.g. with 0.6mm nozzle I can easily print 0.1mm layer height for the perimeter and 0.5mm layer for the infill so I set layer height to 0.1mm and for infill i do "combine layers = 5" ... but for some layer height and nozzle sizes it will go out of the "safety margin" that is extrusion width must be 20% more than layer height and if you for e.g. do 0.5mm line with 0.4mm nozzle and 0.25mm layer height if you set combine layers for infill to 2 it will try to print infill at 0.5mm layer height and that's not very safe with 0.4mm nozzle so you will get that warning

        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
        • arhiundefined
          arhi
          last edited by

          pay attention to "connect infill lines endpoints" makes a part stronger but adds basically one more perimeter so if you turn that on, you can drop one perimeter compared to s3d for e.g.

          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 2
          • BlueDustundefined
            BlueDust
            last edited by

            @arhi said in Slicer speed: S3d is faster then ideaMaker?:

            "connect infill lines endpoints" makes a part stronger but adds basically one more perimeter so if you turn that on, you can drop one perimeter compared to s3d for e.g.

            Very helpful!
            I really appreciate all you have shared!

            Fun, that 3 letter word with "u" in the middle.

            arhiundefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • arhiundefined
              arhi @BlueDust
              last edited by

              @BlueDust glad it helps, just be sure to understand I'm not the IM master 😄 I moved to it from S3D not long ago, I still know S3D much better, but I'm getting better results with IM so I'm not going back to S3D

              BlueDustundefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • BlueDustundefined
                BlueDust @arhi
                last edited by

                @arhi
                I am in the same boat with S3d, and hope to move to iM. I just wish I stumbled upon it sooner. If I had known the main screen was setup like S3d, I would have started playing with it at least 6 months ago. Saying that, it does seem iM is a bit more complicated... a steeper learning curve then S3d. I have high hopes my transition to iM goes well. Once I stop doing test prints, and actually calibrate the extrusion multiplier for iM, I think I will feel much better about using it.
                Also, I am am thinking about building another printer in the next month+ and if so, iM seems to be a bit easier to manage multiple printers then S3d would hae been.

                Fun, that 3 letter word with "u" in the middle.

                Kolbiundefined arhiundefined 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • Kolbiundefined
                  Kolbi @BlueDust
                  last edited by

                  @BlueDust Chris Warkocki has a YouTube playlist on iM - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpCn3DiZKgA&list=PLwRi4UU5eIHOQd7N5Mj8gasNTctZV5694

                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                  • arhiundefined
                    arhi @BlueDust
                    last edited by

                    @BlueDust I try them all from time to time, still like the visual's and the organization of the craftware the best, also, the communication I had with different dev teams, craftware team was quickest to answer, most open and friendly than any other team I talked to, but while really eye candy and best gcode preview out there as a slicer they are not IMHO on par with IM.

                    I have this toolchanger sitting next to me for 9 months now and still not being turned on 😞 ( that now seems to be a mistake on my part, purchasing it from e3d but who knew the year would go to #%^$^#&* like 2020 did ) so I can't say how IM will behave with multiple tools. With dual nozzle it behaves "ok-ish", there are some things that I dislike (like left/right distinction, what's primary etc etc) but could work around .. I just hope it will work as expected with multiple tools when I need it to ..

                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                    • BlueDustundefined
                      BlueDust
                      last edited by

                      Thanks for the help guys!
                      Where are the settings to adjust X or Y dimensional accuracy?
                      I printed a calibration cube, and X is a tad larger than expected, while Y is also a tad smaller...

                      Fun, that 3 letter word with "u" in the middle.

                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • Kolbiundefined
                        Kolbi
                        last edited by

                        Is the dimensional accuracy evident regardless of which slicer you are using?

                        🤔 If it is evident, regardless of slicer being employed, I'd think that would mean that you should check your steps per mm in config.g with settings of M92?

                        BlueDustundefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • BlueDustundefined
                          BlueDust @Kolbi
                          last edited by BlueDust

                          @Kolbi
                          No... It worked fine in S3d. I checked two cubes I printed in S3d to confirm before I asked.
                          I just measured everything again and S3d was off by .03 or .04 mm difference of X and Y cube. iM seems more like .07mm+, but one of the walls is also thicker than the other 3, so that may be the problem. But it's only thicker by .05 mm (between thinnest and thickest wall)... I didn't have this much of a difference using S3d. The difference between .01 or .02 mm between walls was expected/normal. I will keep playing with this later, and not sure if I am being too picky or not. Will try and check belts ect. As I did complete a long print between these sets of cubes testing iM, something maybe lose.
                          I know where the setting is S3d is to adjust dimensional Accuracy and confirmed it was set to 0, so I never had to touch it.

                          Fun, that 3 letter word with "u" in the middle.

                          Kolbiundefined arhiundefined 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • Kolbiundefined
                            Kolbi @BlueDust
                            last edited by Kolbi

                            @BlueDust Ah, ok. Try going into printer settings and then the advanced tab.
                            Screen Shot 2020-08-09 at 8.04.15 AM.png

                            BlueDustundefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                            • arhiundefined
                              arhi @BlueDust
                              last edited by

                              @BlueDust said in Slicer speed: S3d is faster then ideaMaker?:

                              iM seems more like .07mm+

                              need to calibrate flow rate for the IM, you cannot use the same value as with S3D as I think they do the calculation differently

                              BlueDustundefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                              • BlueDustundefined
                                BlueDust @arhi
                                last edited by

                                @arhi
                                I think I read some you or someone else already mentioning that???? I was printing 2 wall calibration cubes and found after a small change to the extrusion multiplier, I had 3 walls at .95 (should be .96) but the 4th wall was 1.00 and I didn't want to adjust it further until I fixed that. At the same time, I noticed the cubes Y was over 20mm and X was below 20mm, and asked for where settings were to fix that.... I really like the fact that iM will allow me to adjust both X and Y separately, as S3d only allows you to change Y if needed.
                                After I was able to get the cube to be perfect 20x20 mm, I noticed that a single corner was bulging out and obviously effected my measurements. I have to do this again, but as it was late I just printed a Mini to see how well it came out. This morning I found it was super stringy, and now want to run a temp tower in iM as the retractions I am using is way too high and putting holes in the print... Has to be a temp thing... Hopefully by the end of the day I will have enough prints done to get this situated. Just have to figure out how to make the proper temp tower/temp changes by layers in iM. I think I know where the setting are, just haven't try to mess with it yet.

                                Fun, that 3 letter word with "u" in the middle.

                                1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                • BlueDustundefined
                                  BlueDust @Kolbi
                                  last edited by

                                  @Kolbi
                                  Thank you!

                                  Fun, that 3 letter word with "u" in the middle.

                                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                  • BlueDustundefined
                                    BlueDust
                                    last edited by

                                    Is there a way to see the temp changes per layer like I can with speed, when looking at the preview? In S3d, I could do this by just setting it to color code each process, and temp change was per process... I don't see an option like that in iM and hoping I just don't know where it is.

                                    Fun, that 3 letter word with "u" in the middle.

                                    Kolbiundefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                    • Kolbiundefined
                                      Kolbi @BlueDust
                                      last edited by

                                      @Blue, not that I know of.

                                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
                                      • gorf26undefined
                                        gorf26
                                        last edited by

                                        I tried ideamaker but i could not find a way to connect it to duet, the doc's show a wlan setup but i could not find it, looked at all the settings it did not show a custom printer and if i was to enter a IP address it was also looking for a serial number, or wouldn't work.
                                        Is there a way to connect to a custom printer?.

                                        Thanks

                                        arhiundefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                        • arhiundefined
                                          arhi @gorf26
                                          last edited by

                                          @gorf26 said in Slicer speed: S3d is faster then ideaMaker?:

                                          but i could not find a way to connect it to duet

                                          there is no way, you "show file in folder" after you export g-code and then manually upload to duet. all the network stuff in IM is for their own reise3d printers that use some special protocol themselves

                                          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                          • gorf26undefined
                                            gorf26
                                            last edited by gorf26

                                            I thought so but i was reading a doc file it showed a custom printer option and a wlan but it may have been an old version and haven't updated the doc..

                                            arhiundefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                            • First post
                                              Last post
                                            Unless otherwise noted, all forum content is licensed under CC-BY-SA