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    • JoergS5undefined
      JoergS5 @tony73
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      @tony73 I'll build it with the same properties like your parameters, so we can discuss all.

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      • tony73undefined
        tony73 @JoergS5
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        @JoergS5

        Hello! how is the construction of the robot going?
        i tried to graph a situation with G92 to position the arm after homing, hope it is clear enough. calculated the degrees of a position X 387.4 Y0 Z0 on M669 of my config.g but I don't understand, if G92 are degrees and the calculation is right, if you can understand tell me if it's right or wrong, the motors should move, but instead simplify 3d answers me like this, Error: G1 / G2 / G3: intermediate position outside machine limits.
        the G92 I put after homing and G92 X0 Y14.4 Z-28.8 U-75.6 V0ROBOT ARM G92.PNG

        it looks like a little house!

        the degrees of the graph are L2 14.40 L3 -28.80 L4 -75.60

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        • JoergS5undefined
          JoergS5 @tony73
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          @tony73 I am proceeding with boring my 1000 holes into aluminium, but not finished. I expect Tuesday. (boring holes without cnc is a penalty)

          The graphic looks fine, the angles look all ok. Which G1 command do you want to execute? If it's G1 X300, then are you in absolute coordination mode or relative? Because if relative, it wants to move to 687,40, which is out of reach.
          To exclude that it's a Simplify3D problem, can you execute it in the Duet Web Control (DWC)?

          Absolute mode is set with G90

          Can you please check M114 after homing and G92?

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          • tony73undefined
            tony73
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            @JoergS5
            purtroppo non avevo mai considerato il G90 G91 , se ho capito provando a mandare esempio: G1 X200 in modalita relativa G91 , tenterebbe di andare a X 587.40 ( X 387.40 + 200 ) , devo ricordarmi di G90 e G91 !
            ho provato a inviare G90 prima di un comando G1 ma i motori purtroppo non si muovono.

            questo nella foto e G28 seguito da M114 che dice X500 Y0 Z100 U0 V5.005 dopo inviato
            G92 X0 Y14.4 Z-28.8 U-75.6 V0 rifatto M114 risposta X0 Y14.40 Z-28.80 U-75.60 V0.0
            LA COSA STRANA e che in alto a destra lindicatore degli assi di simplify 3d da come posizione del piano cartesiano X0 Y14.40 Z-28.80 che e uguale ai gradi di G92

            no ho ancora mai usato DWC , ma mi documento e provo !!
            G92 X0 Y14.4 Z-28.8 U-75.6 V0.JPG

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            • bondusundefined
              bondus
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              Sorry for barging in. But...

              If you were to describe the robot as a number of transformation matrices (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denavit–Hartenberg_parameters) you could describe any serial robot with any number of axis. Even a serial scara could fit in this (except the bed).

              Matrices are very nice to work with.

              Combine this with the matrix defined cartesian and you can describe any combination of linear cartesian and serial rotary kinematics. What a dream 🙂

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              • JoergS5undefined
                JoergS5 @bondus
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                @bondus I know the matrix calculations, but I wanted to develop the algorithms from scratch and to have additional parameters like bending.

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                • JoergS5undefined
                  JoergS5 @tony73
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                  @tony73 you seem to have set G90 at the end of your homing file.

                  I'll check your procedure with my prototype tomorrow.

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                  • tony73undefined
                    tony73 @JoergS5
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                    @JoergS5

                    good morning ! I wait until you are done with the test robot, I stop asking you questions because I only make you confused!

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                    • tony73undefined
                      tony73 @JoergS5
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                      @JoergS5

                      Hello! did you manage to do the tests with the robot?

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                      • JoergS5undefined
                        JoergS5 @tony73
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                        @tony73 I'm not finished building. I'm sorry, but I cannot plan how long building a prototype takes. I had design faults, which show up when building.

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                        • tony73undefined
                          tony73 @JoergS5
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                          @JoergS5

                          ok! I try to contact you on the weekend, see you soon!

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                          • JoergS5undefined
                            JoergS5 @tony73
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                            @tony73 thanks for your patience!

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                            • tony73undefined
                              tony73 @JoergS5
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                              @JoergS5

                              Hello ! how is the construction of the robot going? did you manage to finish it and test with the firmware?

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                              • JoergS5undefined
                                JoergS5 @tony73
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                                @tony73 I had other tasks during the week. But I have solutions for my design problems now and proceed at the weekend.

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                                • tony73undefined
                                  tony73 @JoergS5
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                                  @JoergS5
                                  ok! I wait to see, I'm glad to know that you have overcome the problems of building the robot!

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                                  • JoergS5undefined
                                    JoergS5 @tony73
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                                    This post is deleted!
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                                    • tony73undefined
                                      tony73 @JoergS5
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                                      @JoergS5

                                      how's the work going? I had read the post you deleted, I am waiting to see your robot, you say that it is very stable I could take it slow and build it if you release the construction schemes and reduction ratios. I have not tried to build anything even if I would like to try to see how the firmware behaves, I prefer to wait for your answers!

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                                      • JoergS5undefined
                                        JoergS5 @tony73
                                        last edited by JoergS5

                                        @tony73 I did delete the post, because I didn't want to tell you what to do. You should decide yourself. (and as I said, you'll get all the information I have. I learned a lot about manufacturing the last days also)

                                        I have new design problems, the arms were too heavy for the steppers. But I have solved it with counterweights, so it's proceeding. The printer is in fact very stiff, I expect good print results. Current status is, I have to redesign actuator 2 (it was in the way of the arm 2 movement ;-( ).

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                                        • tony73undefined
                                          tony73 @JoergS5
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                                          @JoergS5

                                          ok! I try to contact you in a few days!

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                                          • JoergS5undefined
                                            JoergS5 @tony73
                                            last edited by JoergS5

                                            @tony73 I have a prototype now, not ideal, but working to validate the firmware. (The M114 was not wrong)

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