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    tony73
    last edited by 27 Sept 2020, 22:43

    @JoergS5
    purtroppo non avevo mai considerato il G90 G91 , se ho capito provando a mandare esempio: G1 X200 in modalita relativa G91 , tenterebbe di andare a X 587.40 ( X 387.40 + 200 ) , devo ricordarmi di G90 e G91 !
    ho provato a inviare G90 prima di un comando G1 ma i motori purtroppo non si muovono.

    questo nella foto e G28 seguito da M114 che dice X500 Y0 Z100 U0 V5.005 dopo inviato
    G92 X0 Y14.4 Z-28.8 U-75.6 V0 rifatto M114 risposta X0 Y14.40 Z-28.80 U-75.60 V0.0
    LA COSA STRANA e che in alto a destra lindicatore degli assi di simplify 3d da come posizione del piano cartesiano X0 Y14.40 Z-28.80 che e uguale ai gradi di G92

    no ho ancora mai usato DWC , ma mi documento e provo !!
    G92 X0 Y14.4 Z-28.8 U-75.6 V0.JPG

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      bondus
      last edited by 28 Sept 2020, 01:10

      Sorry for barging in. But...

      If you were to describe the robot as a number of transformation matrices (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denavit–Hartenberg_parameters) you could describe any serial robot with any number of axis. Even a serial scara could fit in this (except the bed).

      Matrices are very nice to work with.

      Combine this with the matrix defined cartesian and you can describe any combination of linear cartesian and serial rotary kinematics. What a dream 🙂

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        JoergS5 @bondus
        last edited by JoergS5 10 Jun 2020, 03:52 28 Sept 2020, 06:24

        @bondus I know the matrix calculations, but I wanted to develop the algorithms from scratch and to have additional parameters like bending.

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          JoergS5 @tony73
          last edited by 28 Sept 2020, 06:40

          @tony73 you seem to have set G90 at the end of your homing file.

          I'll check your procedure with my prototype tomorrow.

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            tony73 @JoergS5
            last edited by 28 Sept 2020, 09:47

            @JoergS5

            good morning ! I wait until you are done with the test robot, I stop asking you questions because I only make you confused!

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              tony73 @JoergS5
              last edited by 29 Sept 2020, 18:44

              @JoergS5

              Hello! did you manage to do the tests with the robot?

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                JoergS5 @tony73
                last edited by 29 Sept 2020, 19:44

                @tony73 I'm not finished building. I'm sorry, but I cannot plan how long building a prototype takes. I had design faults, which show up when building.

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                  tony73 @JoergS5
                  last edited by 29 Sept 2020, 21:37

                  @JoergS5

                  ok! I try to contact you on the weekend, see you soon!

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                    JoergS5 @tony73
                    last edited by 30 Sept 2020, 06:14

                    @tony73 thanks for your patience!

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                      tony73 @JoergS5
                      last edited by 2 Oct 2020, 13:40

                      @JoergS5

                      Hello ! how is the construction of the robot going? did you manage to finish it and test with the firmware?

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                        JoergS5 @tony73
                        last edited by JoergS5 10 Jun 2020, 03:50 3 Oct 2020, 06:55

                        @tony73 I had other tasks during the week. But I have solutions for my design problems now and proceed at the weekend.

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                          tony73 @JoergS5
                          last edited by 3 Oct 2020, 13:08

                          @JoergS5
                          ok! I wait to see, I'm glad to know that you have overcome the problems of building the robot!

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                            JoergS5 @tony73
                            last edited by JoergS5 10 May 2020, 09:46 5 Oct 2020, 07:41

                            This post is deleted!
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                              tony73 @JoergS5
                              last edited by 6 Oct 2020, 19:28

                              @JoergS5

                              how's the work going? I had read the post you deleted, I am waiting to see your robot, you say that it is very stable I could take it slow and build it if you release the construction schemes and reduction ratios. I have not tried to build anything even if I would like to try to see how the firmware behaves, I prefer to wait for your answers!

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                                JoergS5 @tony73
                                last edited by JoergS5 10 Jun 2020, 20:19 6 Oct 2020, 20:17

                                @tony73 I did delete the post, because I didn't want to tell you what to do. You should decide yourself. (and as I said, you'll get all the information I have. I learned a lot about manufacturing the last days also)

                                I have new design problems, the arms were too heavy for the steppers. But I have solved it with counterweights, so it's proceeding. The printer is in fact very stiff, I expect good print results. Current status is, I have to redesign actuator 2 (it was in the way of the arm 2 movement ;-( ).

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                                  tony73 @JoergS5
                                  last edited by 6 Oct 2020, 21:07

                                  @JoergS5

                                  ok! I try to contact you in a few days!

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                                    JoergS5 @tony73
                                    last edited by JoergS5 10 Dec 2020, 08:08 11 Oct 2020, 18:12

                                    @tony73 I have a prototype now, not ideal, but working to validate the firmware. (The M114 was not wrong)

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                                      tony73 @JoergS5
                                      last edited by 12 Oct 2020, 07:04

                                      @JoergS5
                                      did you make a prototype with 5 actuators plus an extruder for 3d printing?

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                                        JoergS5 @tony73
                                        last edited by JoergS5 10 Dec 2020, 08:10 12 Oct 2020, 07:50

                                        @tony73 5 actuators yes, extruder not yet*). I have a weakness in specifications: when arm 5 rotates to the left (180 degree eg), arm 3 can be in the way for the hotend+extruder if arm 3 is "flat".

                                        *) my robot has a very low payload. I still have to learn a lot about how to optimize gear ratios, counterweight and belt tension, to get a good solution. This is quite different from developing the firmware!

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                                          JoergS5
                                          last edited by 12 Oct 2020, 09:00

                                          I have some images of my first pre-Prototype, before I will reconstruct it:

                                          preprototype1.jpg

                                          preprototype2.jpg

                                          preprototype3.jpg

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