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    • RAMundefined
      RAM @Veti
      last edited by

      @Veti said in Extruder Motor Getting Hot.:

      the quality of the underside is determined by the quality of the part cooling.

      this print needs a lot of cooling and it has to be focused cooling.

      put some water in a shallow container underneath and see where the airflow is directed when the part cooling fan is on.

      20210114_170353.jpg

      It looks like the fan is blowing where it should be from what i can see

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      • RAMundefined
        RAM @Phaedrux
        last edited by

        @Phaedrux said in Extruder Motor Getting Hot.:

        It also looks very glossy which can mean it's printed too hot.

        Look into doing a temp tower test where the temp gets changed at certain points up a tower so you can visually see the results. If the thermistor isn't very accurate when you think you are using 210 it could actually be 240. So in absence of accurate measurements, you can still determine a good set point experimentally. In other words, it doesn't matter if you use 190 or 220 so long as the results look good.

        20210114_171232.jpg

        Not sure what you think but 205c looks ok to me and it is also what is recommended on the filament.

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        • Phaedruxundefined
          Phaedrux Moderator
          last edited by

          Calibrate the extruder.

          https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Guide/Ender+3+Pro+and+Duet+Maestro+Guide+Part+4:+Calibration/40#s165

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          • Vetiundefined
            Veti
            last edited by

            the water looks like you have two places where the part fans are blowing and its not underneath the nozzle.
            also it does not seem that strong

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            • RAMundefined
              RAM @Phaedrux
              last edited by RAM

              @Phaedrux said in Extruder Motor Getting Hot.:

              Calibrate the extruder.

              https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Guide/Ender+3+Pro+and+Duet+Maestro+Guide+Part+4:+Calibration/40#s165

              Thanks for that guide, I went through the steps and it seems to be a lot nicer than I have ever had it before.

              only thing I did notice when doing the bed leveling test was that the print seems to be way off center for some reason. How do I go about moving the head to more to the center as I can't seem to remember how I did it the 1st time around and have no idea what has changed.

              When I measured the spacings with the print on the bed it is off as it shows in the picture.
              20210116_150243.jpg
              It needs to be moved up and to the right. But for the life of me I have tried to follow the guide for setting the bed center but nothing seems to make a difference.

              Would like to say thanks for all the help you guys have given me with sorting this out I am starting to get a smile back on my face when it comes to this printer.

              This is the result I am getting when printing the rounded cube test
              20210116_143143.jpg

              @Veti I am not sure if I had the fan set to maximum or not, I will redo the picture with it set to maximum I was a bit worried about blowing water out and all over the printer.

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              • Vetiundefined
                Veti
                last edited by

                move go X0 Y0 (G0 X0 Y0)

                then measure the distance to real X0 and Y0

                and adjust
                M208 with the measured values.

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                • Phaedruxundefined
                  Phaedrux Moderator
                  last edited by

                  In other words, if your nozzle is off the bed when at 0,0, you can adjust the M208 minima to be negative by whatever amount of distance there is between the corner of the bed and where the endstop actually gets hit.

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                  • RAMundefined
                    RAM @Veti
                    last edited by

                    @Veti said in Extruder Motor Getting Hot.:

                    G0 X0 Y0

                    If I home the X&Y axis they move to
                    Axis Limits
                    M208 X-4 Y-25.0 Z0 S1 ; set axis minima
                    M208 X270 Y285 Z480 S0 ; set axis maxima

                    but that doesnt seem to move it to center of the bed for some reason it is slightly out on the Y Axis. If I use the DWC and move it so that it is in the center as I need it then the Y should be at Y150 but it keeps kicking it down more when I print I can't figure it out.

                    I adjusted the Homeall.g file and changed the Y to 150 and now when I press home all button on the DWC it homes to the middle exactly as I need it to but when I go to print it is out again ?

                    I have added the config.g file and the homing files just incase you want to look at them and also my S3D Gcode Settings if it helps.

                    S3D Settings.jpg

                    config.g
                    homeall.g
                    homez.g
                    homey.g
                    homex.g

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                    • RAMundefined
                      RAM @Phaedrux
                      last edited by

                      @Phaedrux yea we did that when we very 1st set it up but it is out of center for some reason. I haven't changed the config files since you helped me get it running. I can only think that I didn't originally notice that the nozzel was out of center when homing and going to print.

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                      • Phaedruxundefined
                        Phaedrux Moderator
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                        Why do you have tool offsets set up in simplify? You only have one tool.

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                        • RAMundefined
                          RAM @Phaedrux
                          last edited by

                          @Phaedrux said in Extruder Motor Getting Hot.:

                          Why do you have tool offsets set up in simplify? You only have one tool.

                          I did that as a test to see if it would make it center but it didn't

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                          • Vetiundefined
                            Veti @RAM
                            last edited by

                            @RAM said in Extruder Motor Getting Hot.:

                            but that doesnt seem to move it to center of the bed for some reason it is slightly out on the Y Axis. If I use the DWC and move it so that it is in the center as I need it then the Y should be at Y150 but it keeps kicking it down more when I print I can't figure it out.

                            forget trying to work that out in the center.

                            you got to work it out at 0,0
                            all the adjustment is happening with the M208

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                            • RAMundefined
                              RAM @Veti
                              last edited by

                              @Veti said in Extruder Motor Getting Hot.:

                              @RAM said in Extruder Motor Getting Hot.:

                              but that doesnt seem to move it to center of the bed for some reason it is slightly out on the Y Axis. If I use the DWC and move it so that it is in the center as I need it then the Y should be at Y150 but it keeps kicking it down more when I print I can't figure it out.

                              forget trying to work that out in the center.

                              you got to work it out at 0,0
                              all the adjustment is happening with the M208

                              ok let me get this right before I go doing anything.
                              Home all axes then send the (G0 X0 Y0) via the DWC Console and then measure the distance to real X0 and Y0 (to where the certer of the bed is?)

                              If I home using the DWC Home X & Y buttons they home to X -4 Y -25 which is at the front left corner of my printer. If I use the home all then they home to X146.0 Y 150.0 which is bed center.

                              If I do home all from the DWC and then send (G0 X0 Y0) the print head goes to the front left corner of the print bed, If I then use the DWC to move the print head to the bed center the X&Y are at X143.0 Y153.0

                              What do I change this to
                              ; Axis Limits
                              M208 X-4 Y-25.0 Z0 S1 ; set axis minima
                              M208 X270 Y285 Z480 S0 ; set axis maxima

                              I thought the axis minima & maxima was so that the printer knew what it was allowed to move the print head to as in a coded safe minimum and maximum movement limits

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                              • Vetiundefined
                                Veti @RAM
                                last edited by

                                @RAM said in Extruder Motor Getting Hot.:

                                If I do home all from the DWC and then send (G0 X0 Y0) the print head goes to the front left corner of the print bed, If I then use the DWC to move the print head to the bed center the X&Y are at X143.0 Y153.0

                                again forget about the center of the bed.

                                is x0 y0 direct above the outermost point of the bed?

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                                • RAMundefined
                                  RAM @Veti
                                  last edited by

                                  @Veti said in Extruder Motor Getting Hot.:

                                  @RAM said in Extruder Motor Getting Hot.:

                                  If I do home all from the DWC and then send (G0 X0 Y0) the print head goes to the front left corner of the print bed, If I then use the DWC to move the print head to the bed center the X&Y are at X143.0 Y153.0

                                  again forget about the center of the bed.

                                  is x0 y0 direct above the outermost point of the bed?

                                  yes it is on the left front corner probably in about 8mm from the very edges of the bed.

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                                  • Vetiundefined
                                    Veti @RAM
                                    last edited by

                                    @RAM
                                    move the head using the controlls until its directly above.

                                    that are the values that you need to adjust m208 by

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                                    • RAMundefined
                                      RAM @Veti
                                      last edited by RAM

                                      @Veti

                                      So move the head till it is directly above the corner of the bed then change the M208 so it says what the X & Y are if I am understanding you correctly.

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                                      • Vetiundefined
                                        Veti
                                        last edited by

                                        if it for example reads

                                        X7 Y6
                                        then you need to subtract that from the your minimum values so that the x and y position are reduced.
                                        i.e M208 X-11 Y-31.0 Z0 S1

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                                        • RAMundefined
                                          RAM @Veti
                                          last edited by

                                          @Veti said in Extruder Motor Getting Hot.:

                                          if it for example reads

                                          X7 Y6
                                          then you need to subtract that from the your minimum values so that the x and y position are reduced.
                                          i.e M208 X-11 Y-31.0 Z0 S1

                                          Did what you told me to but nothing has changed.

                                          ; Axis Limits
                                          M208 X-4 Y-15.0 Z0 S1 ; set axis minima was Y-25
                                          M208 X270 Y285 Z480 S0 ; set axis maxima

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                                          • Vetiundefined
                                            Veti
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                                            after the change if you go to x0 y0 is it exactly above the edge?

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