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    • RAMundefined
      RAM @Veti
      last edited by

      @Veti said in Extruder Motor Getting Hot.:

      try the motor with 500ma first

      Ok will do thanks for the help Veti

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      • RAMundefined
        RAM
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        @Veti I dropped the current to 500 and it seems to have worked. before starting to print extruder motor temp was 21.5c and 36.7 by the end of the print which was a 1 hour 40 min print. I didn't change any of the other settings so that everything was the same as before.

        The print quality is not great though. the infill is still very poor and so is the surface finish.

        Would you think it would be a good idea to do extruder and temperature calibrations again now that I have changed the current settings ?

        This is what the print came out like it is 60mm in height and was printed using .2 resolution.
        20210112_161107.jpg
        2.jpg
        3.jpg

        If I did the same print on my other printer the quality would be a lot higher.

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        • Vetiundefined
          Veti
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          check all bearing and pulleys. everthing has to be very smooth without resistance.

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          • RAMundefined
            RAM
            last edited by RAM

            @Veti everything seems to move ok and I don't have the belts to tight I made sure of that.
            Is there a recommended way to check or is it more a case of feel ?

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            • Vetiundefined
              Veti
              last edited by

              start with something simple like a calibration cube.
              then go to a retraction test print.

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              • Phaedruxundefined
                Phaedrux Moderator @RAM
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                @RAM said in Extruder Motor Getting Hot.:

                Would you think it would be a good idea to do extruder and temperature calibrations again now that I have changed the current settings ?

                Yes. I would say that looks over extruded and maybe printed too hot.

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                • RAMundefined
                  RAM @Phaedrux
                  last edited by

                  Hi @Phaedrux will do that once the test print has finished. I changed the S3D Printing profile and did the 40mm cube which came out quite nice so decided to do something a little more crazy which is going well so far but I'm not holding my breath.

                  Bet you hoped you would never have to deal with this printer again after all the issues I had at the very beginning lol.

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                  • RAMundefined
                    RAM
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                    Honest thoughts on this please with if there is anything that I could possibly do to improve the print quality.

                    it was printed with Black Real Filament PLA @ 210c & 60mms with 0.4 mm nozzel at 0.2 resolution. no supports, cooling fan set to maximum after 4th layer. Retraction distance 3.50, Retraction speed 150mms

                    Side
                    20210113_133543.jpg

                    Underside
                    20210113_133611.jpg

                    Top
                    20210113_133635.jpg

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                    • Vetiundefined
                      Veti
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                      the quality of the underside is determined by the quality of the part cooling.

                      this print needs a lot of cooling and it has to be focused cooling.

                      put some water in a shallow container underneath and see where the airflow is directed when the part cooling fan is on.

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                      • Phaedruxundefined
                        Phaedrux Moderator
                        last edited by Phaedrux

                        It also looks very glossy which can mean it's printed too hot.

                        Look into doing a temp tower test where the temp gets changed at certain points up a tower so you can visually see the results. If the thermistor isn't very accurate when you think you are using 210 it could actually be 240. So in absence of accurate measurements, you can still determine a good set point experimentally. In other words, it doesn't matter if you use 190 or 220 so long as the results look good.

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                        • RAMundefined
                          RAM @Veti
                          last edited by

                          @Veti said in Extruder Motor Getting Hot.:

                          the quality of the underside is determined by the quality of the part cooling.

                          this print needs a lot of cooling and it has to be focused cooling.

                          put some water in a shallow container underneath and see where the airflow is directed when the part cooling fan is on.

                          20210114_170353.jpg

                          It looks like the fan is blowing where it should be from what i can see

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                          • RAMundefined
                            RAM @Phaedrux
                            last edited by

                            @Phaedrux said in Extruder Motor Getting Hot.:

                            It also looks very glossy which can mean it's printed too hot.

                            Look into doing a temp tower test where the temp gets changed at certain points up a tower so you can visually see the results. If the thermistor isn't very accurate when you think you are using 210 it could actually be 240. So in absence of accurate measurements, you can still determine a good set point experimentally. In other words, it doesn't matter if you use 190 or 220 so long as the results look good.

                            20210114_171232.jpg

                            Not sure what you think but 205c looks ok to me and it is also what is recommended on the filament.

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                            • Phaedruxundefined
                              Phaedrux Moderator
                              last edited by

                              Calibrate the extruder.

                              https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Guide/Ender+3+Pro+and+Duet+Maestro+Guide+Part+4:+Calibration/40#s165

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                              • Vetiundefined
                                Veti
                                last edited by

                                the water looks like you have two places where the part fans are blowing and its not underneath the nozzle.
                                also it does not seem that strong

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                                • RAMundefined
                                  RAM @Phaedrux
                                  last edited by RAM

                                  @Phaedrux said in Extruder Motor Getting Hot.:

                                  Calibrate the extruder.

                                  https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Guide/Ender+3+Pro+and+Duet+Maestro+Guide+Part+4:+Calibration/40#s165

                                  Thanks for that guide, I went through the steps and it seems to be a lot nicer than I have ever had it before.

                                  only thing I did notice when doing the bed leveling test was that the print seems to be way off center for some reason. How do I go about moving the head to more to the center as I can't seem to remember how I did it the 1st time around and have no idea what has changed.

                                  When I measured the spacings with the print on the bed it is off as it shows in the picture.
                                  20210116_150243.jpg
                                  It needs to be moved up and to the right. But for the life of me I have tried to follow the guide for setting the bed center but nothing seems to make a difference.

                                  Would like to say thanks for all the help you guys have given me with sorting this out I am starting to get a smile back on my face when it comes to this printer.

                                  This is the result I am getting when printing the rounded cube test
                                  20210116_143143.jpg

                                  @Veti I am not sure if I had the fan set to maximum or not, I will redo the picture with it set to maximum I was a bit worried about blowing water out and all over the printer.

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                                  • Vetiundefined
                                    Veti
                                    last edited by

                                    move go X0 Y0 (G0 X0 Y0)

                                    then measure the distance to real X0 and Y0

                                    and adjust
                                    M208 with the measured values.

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                                    • Phaedruxundefined
                                      Phaedrux Moderator
                                      last edited by

                                      In other words, if your nozzle is off the bed when at 0,0, you can adjust the M208 minima to be negative by whatever amount of distance there is between the corner of the bed and where the endstop actually gets hit.

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                                      • RAMundefined
                                        RAM @Veti
                                        last edited by

                                        @Veti said in Extruder Motor Getting Hot.:

                                        G0 X0 Y0

                                        If I home the X&Y axis they move to
                                        Axis Limits
                                        M208 X-4 Y-25.0 Z0 S1 ; set axis minima
                                        M208 X270 Y285 Z480 S0 ; set axis maxima

                                        but that doesnt seem to move it to center of the bed for some reason it is slightly out on the Y Axis. If I use the DWC and move it so that it is in the center as I need it then the Y should be at Y150 but it keeps kicking it down more when I print I can't figure it out.

                                        I adjusted the Homeall.g file and changed the Y to 150 and now when I press home all button on the DWC it homes to the middle exactly as I need it to but when I go to print it is out again ?

                                        I have added the config.g file and the homing files just incase you want to look at them and also my S3D Gcode Settings if it helps.

                                        S3D Settings.jpg

                                        config.g
                                        homeall.g
                                        homez.g
                                        homey.g
                                        homex.g

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                                        • RAMundefined
                                          RAM @Phaedrux
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                                          @Phaedrux yea we did that when we very 1st set it up but it is out of center for some reason. I haven't changed the config files since you helped me get it running. I can only think that I didn't originally notice that the nozzel was out of center when homing and going to print.

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                                          • Phaedruxundefined
                                            Phaedrux Moderator
                                            last edited by

                                            Why do you have tool offsets set up in simplify? You only have one tool.

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