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    • dc42undefined
      dc42 administrators
      last edited by dc42

      Would there be any interest in Duet3D manufacturing and selling a small inductive sensor that runs from 3.3V or 5V? Most of the existing sensors advertised as being 5V appears to be 6 to 36V sensors sold as 5V.

      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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      • jay_s_ukundefined
        jay_s_uk
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        definitely!

        Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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        • weed2allundefined
          weed2all @dc42
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          @dc42 yes definitely

          https://www.thingiverse.com/weed2all/designs

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          • DigiDundefined
            DigiD @reFlexlab
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            @reFlexlab

            opto isolator x 4 on my Delta , allows you to use what ever voltage the sensor works best with ( in my case 24volts) , isolates the high voltage from the low , decouples any kind of line noise from steppers etc and doesn't toast the board if you plug it in backwards

            in config file use

            M574 X2 S1 P"!xstop" ; configure active low endstop for high end on X via pin xstop !prefix

            Opto for inductive sens.JPG

            opto isolate.jpg

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            • JoergS5undefined
              JoergS5 @DigiD
              last edited by

              @DigiD using optocoupler is a great idea and using a LED for added signal is it also!

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              • fcwiltundefined
                fcwilt @DigiD
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                @DigiD

                Clever.

                What is the brand and part number of the inductive sensor you are using?

                I will have to re-test the sensors I tested to see if they would work with such a circuit.

                Frederick

                Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                • fcwiltundefined
                  fcwilt @dc42
                  last edited by fcwilt

                  @dc42 said in DUET 3 6HC - Using Inductive proximity sensor as endstop:

                  Would there be any interest in Duet3D manufacturing and selling a small inductive sensor that runs from 3.3V or 5V?

                  Yes if it could be as small as the 8mm cylindrical inductive sensor I use now.

                  And the switching frequency should be 2 kHz or better.

                  Most of the existing sensors advertised as being 5V appears to be 6 to 36V sensors sold as 5V.

                  Perhaps that is why the two models I tested didn't work as well as those rated 10-30 volts.


                  Frederick

                  Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                  • dc42undefined
                    dc42 administrators @fcwilt
                    last edited by dc42

                    @fcwilt said in DUET 3 6HC - Using Inductive proximity sensor as endstop:

                    Yes if it could be as small as the 8mm cylindrical inductive sensor I use now.

                    We're looking at using a 6mm diameter sense coil. We would supply the PCB and the sense coil, leaving you to print an enclosure for it (we would publish a sample design). It would be designed to work well with non-magnetic surfaces, but would work with magnetic surfaces too. We would aim for 1ms response time.

                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                    http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                    • fcwiltundefined
                      fcwilt @dc42
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                      @dc42 said in DUET 3 6HC - Using Inductive proximity sensor as endstop:

                      We're looking at using a 6mm diameter sense coil. We would supply the PCB and the sense coil, leaving you to print an enclosure for it (we would publish a sample design). It would be designed to work well with non-magnetic surfaces, but would work with magnetic surfaces too. We would aim for 1ms response time.

                      That all sounds reasonable.

                      Send me a couple and I will test them and add them to my list. 😉

                      Frederick

                      Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                      • DigiDundefined
                        DigiD @fcwilt
                        last edited by DigiD

                        @fcwilt

                        LJ12A3-4-Z/BX Inductive Proximity sensor NPN (OMRON and no name brands seem to work equally well) , very common on Ebay about $3-4 AUD each

                        4mm sensing distance , best results using mild steel as a target that is close to the diameter of the sensor . derate sense distance for stainless .7 and Aluminium .4

                        been in the printer for a few years now with out any issues

                        I use first pass fast coarse and second pass slower accurate for homing

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                        • pkosundefined
                          pkos @dc42
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                          @dc42 I would definitely be interesting in something like that! 🙂

                          Voron 2.4 (Duet 3 6HC + 3HC standalone), Voron SW (Duet 3 mini 5+ standalone), Voron Trident (Duet 3 mini 5+ standalone), Voron 0.1

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                          • fcwiltundefined
                            fcwilt @DigiD
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                            @DigiD said in [DUET 3 6HC - Using Inductive proximity sensor as endstop]> LJ12A3-4-Z/BX Inductive Proximity sensor NPN (OMRON and no name brands seem to work equally well) , very common on Ebay about $3-4 AUD each

                            Interesting.

                            The number looked familiar.

                            I had ordered one of each variety (-AX -AY -BX -BY -BX-5V) under the TWIDEC brand but they do not appear in my list of tested devices.

                            I need to find them and finish testing.

                            Frederick

                            Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                            • reFlexlabundefined
                              reFlexlab @DigiD
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                              @DigiD Thank you for your help, how should I select the OptoCoupler and the resistor based on the model of inductive endstop that I used ?

                              @ reFlexLab Paris # MMMM project
                              Modular Multimaterial Multiprocess Manufacturing

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                              • reFlexlabundefined
                                reFlexlab @fcwilt
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                                @fcwilt

                                Hello Thank you for your help,

                                How do I test that the logic levels are correct and how should I correct if they are not ?

                                Thank you,
                                Tom

                                @ reFlexLab Paris # MMMM project
                                Modular Multimaterial Multiprocess Manufacturing

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                                • fcwiltundefined
                                  fcwilt @reFlexlab
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                                  @reFlexlab said in DUET 3 6HC - Using Inductive proximity sensor as endstop:

                                  @fcwilt

                                  Hello Thank you for your help,

                                  How do I test that the logic levels are correct and how should I correct if they are not ?

                                  Thank you,
                                  Tom

                                  I have an oscilloscope that I use but any device capable of measuring DC voltages in the 0 to 24 volt range would work.

                                  Here is an example of the small low cost oscilloscopes available today. This one is half the cost of the older unit I have and five times as fast.

                                  Oscilloscope

                                  The OptoCoupler used is a 4N25 which is quite common.

                                  The 1K resistor should be good for most inductive sensors IF they source current which is usually the case for PNP types of sensors.

                                  NPN types of sensors usually sink current in which case the cathode end of L1 would connect to the sensor output and the J1 end of the resistor would connect to power source, labeled V1+ in the diagram above.

                                  Yet I have found PNP and NPN types that both source and sink current.

                                  I wish manufactures would stick to pure open-emitter (PNP) or open-collector (NPN) designs. Sigh... 😉

                                  You can start with just R1 and L1 connected to sensor output and ground OR sensor power and output. If L1 goes on and off with the sensor then you have found the correct setup and can finish the wiring adding the 4N25, etc.

                                  Frederick

                                  Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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