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    • dc42undefined
      dc42 administrators
      last edited by

      Sorry, I meant M350 not M360.

      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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      • Sinkundefined
        Sink
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        Don't see that either .. Here it is :

        ; Prusa i3 config file for dc42 Duet firmware

        ; Prologue and comms section
        M111 S0 ; Debug off
        M550 PPrusai3 ; Machine name (can be anything you like)
        M551 Preprap ; Machine password
        ;*** If you have more than one Duet on your network, they must all have different MAC addresses, so change the last digits
        M540 P0xBE:0xEF:0xDE:0xAD:0xFE:0xED ; MAC Address
        ;*** Adjust the IP address and gateway in the following 2 lines to suit your network
        M552 P0.0.0.0 ; IP address (0 = use DHCP)
        M554 P192.168.1.1 ; Gateway
        M553 P255.255.255.0 ; Netmask
        M555 P2 ; Set output to look like Marlin
        M575 P1 B57600 S1 ; Comms parameters for PanelDue
        M552 S1

        ; Movement section
        M569 P0 S0 ; Drive 0 goes forwards (change to S0 to reverse it)
        M569 P1 S0 ; Drive 1 goes forwards
        M569 P2 S1 ; Drive 2 goes forwards
        M569 P3 S0 ; Drive 3 goes forwards
        M569 P4 S1 ; Drive 4 goes forwards
        M574 X1 Y1 Z1 S1 ; set endstop configuration (X and Y endstops only, at low end, active high)
        M906 X800 Y800 Z800 E1000 ; Set motor currents (mA)
        M201 X800 Y800 Z15 E1000 ; Accelerations (mm/s^2)
        M203 X15000 Y15000 Z100 E3600 ; Maximum speeds (mm/min)
        M566 X600 Y600 Z30 E20 ; Minimum speeds mm/minute
        M208 X200 Y250 Z200 ; set axis maximam (adjust to suit your machine)
        M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1 ; set axis minimum (adjust to make X=0 and Y=0 the edge of the bed)
        M92 X80 Y80 Z2560 ; Set axis steps/mm
        M92 E420:420 ; Set extruder steps per mm
        G21 ; Work in millimetres
        G90 ; Send absolute coordinates…
        M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves

        ; Z probe section
        ;M558 P1 X0 Y0 Z1 H3 F200 T5000 ; Smart IR Z probe, used for homing Z axis, dive height 3mm, probe speed 200mm/min, travel speed 5000mm/min
        ;G31 X11.0 Y0.5 Z1.20 P500 ; Set the probe height and threshold (put your own values here)

        ; Heater and thermistor section
        ;*** If you have a Duet board with 1K thermistor series resistors, change R4700 to R1000 to the following M305 commands
        M305 P0 R4700 H0 L0 ; Put your own H and/or L values here to set the bed thermistor ADC correction
        M305 P1 R4700 H0 L0 ; Put your own H and/or L values here to set the first nozzle thermistor ADC correction
        M305 P2 R4700 H0 L0 ; Put your own H and/or L values here to set the second nozzle thermistor ADC correction
        M301 H1 P10 I0.10 D100 T0.50 S1.0 ; PID settings for extruder 0
        M301 H2 P10 I0.10 D100 T0.50 S1.0 ; PID settings for extruder 1
        M570 S120 ; Increase to allow extra heating time if needed

        ; Tool definition section
        M563 P0 D0 H1 ; Define tool 0 to use extruder drive 0 and heater 1
        G10 P0 S0 R0 ; Set tool 0 operating and standby temperatures
        ;*** If you have a dual-nozzle build, un-comment the following 2 lines
        ;M563 P1 D1 H2 ; Define tool 1
        ;G10 P1 S0 R0 ; Set tool 1 operating and standby temperatures

        ; Bed probe section (not needed if you use a bed.g file)
        ;*** Adjust the XY coordinates in the following M557 commands to suit your build and the position of your Z probe
        M557 P0 X60 Y0 ; Four...
        M557 P1 X60 Y165 ; ...probe points...
        M557 P2 X200 Y165 ; ...for bed...
        M557 P3 X200 Y0 ; ...levelling
        ;M557 P4 X141 Y82.5 ; 5th probe point for levelling (un-comment this to get a 5th point at the centre of the bed)

        ; Epilogue
        ;*** If you are using axis compensation, put the figures in the following command
        M556 S78 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Axis compensation here
        T0

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        • dc42undefined
          dc42 administrators
          last edited by

          Some questions for you:

          1. Is the model half the size it should be in all 3 of X, Y and Z?

          2. Are you using 1.8 or 0.9deg motors?

          3. Do the X, Y and Z jog buttons in Duet Web Control move the print head by the amounts you ask for?

          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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          • Sinkundefined
            Sink
            last edited by

            1- Only the Z axis appears different, X and Y look fine ..
            2. 1.8 deg steppers on X.Y. Z .. (Extruder is titan w/ 0.9)
            3. The jog buttons (the +/- X.Y.Z buttons?) .. I am not sure what you are asking here… They all move and in the right direction.. but I don't know whether they move the proper amount or not.. is that what you are asking? Sorry .. How do I ascertain that?

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            • Sinkundefined
              Sink
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              https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipOlWXhrREuVYjKKfoCeHcI0rezTTRutaCMDOtgl
              https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNZ7kfGQyRioLUL7DPl8z_519Mvj0YaE8px4VjG

              Sorry, photos not perfectly clear but they do show that the Z is different

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              • Sinkundefined
                Sink
                last edited by

                Is this the titan causing this wit the 0.9 motor?

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                • whosrdaddyundefined
                  whosrdaddy
                  last edited by

                  @Sink:

                  3. The jog buttons (the +/- X.Y.Z buttons?) .. I am not sure what you are asking here… They all move and in the right direction.. but I don't know whether they move the proper amount or not.. is that what you are asking? Sorry .. How do I ascertain that?

                  you can measure this using a ruler.
                  Move the Z-axis for example 100mm and verify if it really moved 100mm.
                  To me it seems your Z-axis steps are high, but it depends on the leadscrews you are using…

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                  • Dougal1957undefined
                    Dougal1957
                    last edited by

                    How is your Z Driven ie is it a screw if so what size screw is it also on your Ramps setup could you have had 1/8 microstepping set on the Z axis?

                    Doug

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                    • Dougal1957undefined
                      Dougal1957
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                      @whosrdaddy:

                      @Sink:

                      3. The jog buttons (the +/- X.Y.Z buttons?) .. I am not sure what you are asking here… They all move and in the right direction.. but I don't know whether they move the proper amount or not.. is that what you are asking? Sorry .. How do I ascertain that?

                      you can measure this using a ruler.
                      Move the Z-axis for example 100mm and verify if it really moved 100mm.
                      To me it seems your Z-axis steps are high, but it depends on the leadscrews you are using…

                      2560 for Z would be correct for a 1.8 stepper driving the Z by a M5x0.8mm threaded rod assuming 1/16 microstepping

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                      • Sinkundefined
                        Sink
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                        Z is screw driven .. no, there was no microsteppting on the Z under Ramps.. but there was some changes to the stepping for the extruder..

                        This is from the titan docs:

                        "
                        Usage
                        Firmware Calibration
                        Because Titan uses a known gearing ratio and a consistently machined drive gear, we can offer a fairly accurate steps / mm set-point. Forgot about that ..

                        Steps per Unit (Extruder) = Motor Steps * Micro-stepping * Gear Ratio / (Hobb Diameter * Pi)

                        Standard motor steps / rev = 400 for the new style motor or 200 for the old style motor (Refer to assembly steps if unsure which motor you have).
                        Standard micro-stepping = 16x
                        Gear Ratio = 3
                        Hobb Diameter (Effective) = 7.3
                        200 * 16 * 3 / (7.3 * 3.142) = 418.5
                        400 * 16 * 3 / (7.3 * 3.142) = 837 "

                        I changed that number under ramps .. Is there something similar under the RepRap configs?

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                        • Sinkundefined
                          Sink
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                          There is this command in the config:

                          M92 E420:420 ; Set extruder steps per mm

                          looks like this has to change. but is this causing the problem ..

                          will update it to:

                          M92 E840:840 ; Set extruder steps per mm

                          does this seem reasonable?

                          Why not, giving it a try ..

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                          • Dougal1957undefined
                            Dougal1957
                            last edited by

                            No that will not affect your Z AXis hight at all?

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                            • Sinkundefined
                              Sink
                              last edited by

                              Probably not, but sounds like it needs to be done anyway??

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                              • Sinkundefined
                                Sink
                                last edited by

                                Looks like no difference .. when done printing will try to measure the "jog" on the Z axis ..

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                                • dc42undefined
                                  dc42 administrators
                                  last edited by

                                  What is the thread pitch on your Z axis screw? is there any gearing between the Z axis motor and the screw?

                                  Alternatively, do you know what Z steps/mm you were using in the firmware for the other board?

                                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                  http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                  • Sinkundefined
                                    Sink
                                    last edited by

                                    Tried a jog of +100 and measured 65 mm change.. Will repeat .. Pretty much same result ..
                                    Could this be a current problem to the Z steppers (2)

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                                    • Sinkundefined
                                      Sink
                                      last edited by

                                      Looking to find your answers .. Have to find the old marlin code .. and of course it is not on this computer .. will be back when I have the answers .. I believe the P3 came with M5x295 screw rods if that helps ..

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                                      • dc42undefined
                                        dc42 administrators
                                        last edited by

                                        It could be that your Z steps/mm are wrong, or your X acceleration is too high, or your Z maximum speed is too high, or the Z motor current is too low. You should be able to get all of these details except the motor current from your Marlin config file.

                                        One other possibility: if you have two Z motors and they are badly-chosen high inductance low current types, then the series connection used by the two Z motors connectors on the Duet won't work well with them, and you will need to connect them in parallel instead. Can you read the model number of the Z motors from the label?

                                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                        • Sinkundefined
                                          Sink
                                          last edited by

                                          Some numbers :

                                          Steppers SL42STH40-1684A

                                          MARLIN:

                                          DefaultAxisStepsPerUnit 80,80,4000, 775 – the 4000 looks bigger than the config val

                                          Default Acceleration 3000

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                                          • Sinkundefined
                                            Sink
                                            last edited by

                                            Yup z Steps are set to 2560 .. try a change to 4000?

                                            Ratios look about right for measurements ..
                                            warmin up for a test print ..

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