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    Same .gcode file - two different printers - very different results

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    • Sinkundefined
      Sink
      last edited by

      Z is screw driven .. no, there was no microsteppting on the Z under Ramps.. but there was some changes to the stepping for the extruder..

      This is from the titan docs:

      "
      Usage
      Firmware Calibration
      Because Titan uses a known gearing ratio and a consistently machined drive gear, we can offer a fairly accurate steps / mm set-point. Forgot about that ..

      Steps per Unit (Extruder) = Motor Steps * Micro-stepping * Gear Ratio / (Hobb Diameter * Pi)

      Standard motor steps / rev = 400 for the new style motor or 200 for the old style motor (Refer to assembly steps if unsure which motor you have).
      Standard micro-stepping = 16x
      Gear Ratio = 3
      Hobb Diameter (Effective) = 7.3
      200 * 16 * 3 / (7.3 * 3.142) = 418.5
      400 * 16 * 3 / (7.3 * 3.142) = 837 "

      I changed that number under ramps .. Is there something similar under the RepRap configs?

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      • Sinkundefined
        Sink
        last edited by

        There is this command in the config:

        M92 E420:420 ; Set extruder steps per mm

        looks like this has to change. but is this causing the problem ..

        will update it to:

        M92 E840:840 ; Set extruder steps per mm

        does this seem reasonable?

        Why not, giving it a try ..

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        • Dougal1957undefined
          Dougal1957
          last edited by

          No that will not affect your Z AXis hight at all?

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          • Sinkundefined
            Sink
            last edited by

            Probably not, but sounds like it needs to be done anyway??

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            • Sinkundefined
              Sink
              last edited by

              Looks like no difference .. when done printing will try to measure the "jog" on the Z axis ..

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              • dc42undefined
                dc42 administrators
                last edited by

                What is the thread pitch on your Z axis screw? is there any gearing between the Z axis motor and the screw?

                Alternatively, do you know what Z steps/mm you were using in the firmware for the other board?

                Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                • Sinkundefined
                  Sink
                  last edited by

                  Tried a jog of +100 and measured 65 mm change.. Will repeat .. Pretty much same result ..
                  Could this be a current problem to the Z steppers (2)

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                  • Sinkundefined
                    Sink
                    last edited by

                    Looking to find your answers .. Have to find the old marlin code .. and of course it is not on this computer .. will be back when I have the answers .. I believe the P3 came with M5x295 screw rods if that helps ..

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                    • dc42undefined
                      dc42 administrators
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                      It could be that your Z steps/mm are wrong, or your X acceleration is too high, or your Z maximum speed is too high, or the Z motor current is too low. You should be able to get all of these details except the motor current from your Marlin config file.

                      One other possibility: if you have two Z motors and they are badly-chosen high inductance low current types, then the series connection used by the two Z motors connectors on the Duet won't work well with them, and you will need to connect them in parallel instead. Can you read the model number of the Z motors from the label?

                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                      • Sinkundefined
                        Sink
                        last edited by

                        Some numbers :

                        Steppers SL42STH40-1684A

                        MARLIN:

                        DefaultAxisStepsPerUnit 80,80,4000, 775 – the 4000 looks bigger than the config val

                        Default Acceleration 3000

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                        • Sinkundefined
                          Sink
                          last edited by

                          Yup z Steps are set to 2560 .. try a change to 4000?

                          Ratios look about right for measurements ..
                          warmin up for a test print ..

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                          • number40fanundefined
                            number40fan
                            last edited by

                            If you got a 65mm change when commanding 100, then 4000 will get you close.

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                            • number40fanundefined
                              number40fan
                              last edited by

                              BTW, your pictures in this post and another you posted in, are not working.

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                              • Sinkundefined
                                Sink
                                last edited by

                                It is printing .. hopeful .. damn, you guys are good ..

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                                • dc42undefined
                                  dc42 administrators
                                  last edited by

                                  Glad you sorted it. Those steppers are good for plugging directly into the 2 Z motor sockets on the Duet. 1000mA current in the M906 command would be about right.

                                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                  http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                  • Sinkundefined
                                    Sink
                                    last edited by

                                    Print looks much better .. still not perfect but closer, do a few more calcs and adjusts.. will up the current to 1000 in M906 and increase the extruder steps for the titan and the 0.9 motor .and keep trying . Thanks again all ..

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