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    jens55
    last edited by 27 Apr 2021, 03:26

    Check the fuses and the mosfet for that particular fan that you shorted. Chances are you will see a small crater in the mosfet chip and yes, it can be replaced.

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      Phaedrux Moderator
      last edited by 27 Apr 2021, 21:41

      https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connector_and_spare_part_numbers#Section_Fan_mosfet

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        gperman @Phaedrux
        last edited by 27 Apr 2021, 22:38

        @phaedrux Thank you!

        Also, does anyone know of a wire strain relief apparatus that goes on the two main in connectors for a smart effector? The movement of the effector keeps breaking my wires art the crimp.

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          gperman
          last edited by gperman 27 Apr 2021, 23:08

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          TR5 and TR9 dont not seem to be damaged. The 3 blade fuses are intact as well.

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            Phaedrux Moderator
            last edited by 28 Apr 2021, 00:34

            The damage isn't always visible.

            You can test them with a multimeter. Be careful with the probe tips.

            https://www.google.com/search?q=testing+mosfet+with+multimeter&oq=testing+mos&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0l9.4510j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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              gperman @Phaedrux
              last edited by gperman 20 May 2021, 02:05

              @phaedrux digikey kept sending me the wrong components.

              I resoldered in a new mosfet but that didnt change any symptoms. Took the hot fan off and tested, works good. heated the hot end up past the threshold fo rthe fan and only see 3v at the pins off the duet2 wifi board.

              I replaced the mosfet at TR5 (Fan0) I believe that's the correct fan for the hotend. No effect.

              I suppose I could switch the fan to pwm fan2 but that doesn't fix my board.

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                Phaedrux Moderator
                last edited by 20 May 2021, 04:06

                Can you show a photo of the repair job?

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                  gperman @Phaedrux
                  last edited by 20 May 2021, 12:14

                  @phaedrux alt text

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                    gperman @gperman
                    last edited by 20 May 2021, 12:14

                    @gperman sorry for the poor camera quality. That was the best I could do. These are very small.

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                      gperman
                      last edited by 20 May 2021, 13:36

                      @gperman i didnt touch anything but TR5

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                        dc42 administrators @gperman
                        last edited by 20 May 2021, 13:38

                        @gperman said in Shorted circuit for hot end fan:

                        @phaedrux Thank you!

                        Also, does anyone know of a wire strain relief apparatus that goes on the two main in connectors for a smart effector? The movement of the effector keeps breaking my wires art the crimp.

                        I tie the cables to the Bowden tube. It doesn't completely eliminate flexing, but it does reduce it.

                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                          dc42 administrators @gperman
                          last edited by 20 May 2021, 13:39

                          @gperman said in Shorted circuit for hot end fan:

                          @phaedrux digikey kept sending me the wrong components.

                          I resoldered in a new mosfet but that didnt change any symptoms. Took the hot fan off and tested, works good. heated the hot end up past the threshold fo rthe fan and only see 3v at the pins off the duet2 wifi board.

                          I replaced the mosfet at TR5 (Fan0) I believe that's the correct fan for the hotend. No effect.

                          I suppose I could switch the fan to pwm fan2 but that doesn't fix my board.

                          Check that you still have VIN voltage on the positive output pin of the fan connector. Also measure the gate to source voltage of the mosfet. It should be 3.3V when the fan is supposed to be on, and 0V when it is supposed to be off.

                          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                            gperman @dc42
                            last edited by gperman 20 May 2021, 19:26

                            @dc42 i measured the V+ Header pin on the duet2wifi board (multimeter between v+ and - ) when the fan is supposed to be on and it outputs 3.something volts. Forgot to write it down.

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                              gperman @dc42
                              last edited by 21 May 2021, 00:52

                              @dc42 performed a mosfet continuity test as per:
                              https://www.google.com/search?q=testing+mosfet+with+multimeter&oq=testing+mos&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0l9.4510j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#kpvalbx=_6gCnYJmFE-yj_Qb_xKjgBg17

                              Realllllly difficult to get my finger in there to short out all 3 pins but i think I did......maybe.

                              When I short out all 3 then probe source to drain I get temporary continuity that slowly dissipates to open circuit. Then probe source to gate and get the same thing......light continuity 1900 or so that dissipates to 1.

                              pretty sure its a bad mosfet. Going to resolder one in and do it again I guess.....

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                                gperman @gperman
                                last edited by 21 May 2021, 01:44

                                Using that test from that link, I cant seem to turn on any of my mosfets. I tried 4 so far. Held probes to source and gate then source and drain, nothing. No continuity

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                                  gperman @gperman
                                  last edited by gperman 21 May 2021, 01:54

                                  yea this circuit is dead. I ripped the copper trace off the board for the source terminal.

                                  I cant even get the hotfan to work with the fan2 circuit. I am way out of my depth here. All I've managed to print is benchies after 2 year of owning this predator. I think it's time to toss this whole thing in the trash and buy a prusa.

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                                    dc42 administrators @gperman
                                    last edited by 21 May 2021, 06:37

                                    @gperman said in Shorted circuit for hot end fan:

                                    yea this circuit is dead. I ripped the copper trace off the board for the source terminal.

                                    I did that once. I repaired it by adding a fine wire between the mosfet source terminal and a nearby component that was connected to ground.

                                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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                                      gperman @dc42
                                      last edited by 28 May 2021, 14:05

                                      @dc42 I bought the genuine duet2 wifi board from you. can I send it back to you for repair? how much would that cost?

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                                        Phaedrux Moderator
                                        last edited by Phaedrux 28 May 2021, 18:08

                                        Where are you located? May find a local option here: https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/13875/community-repairs?_=1622215254328

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